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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Those aren't excuses.....that's reality.  Until last year, Loudoun had no place for their top girls to compete at the highest levels after U12, so many left for programs that did.  Not a slight on Loudoun - just a fact.  In a few years, if you compare the 07s, 08s, 09s, 10s, etc. across the area and all of those teams are struggling, then you can draw your own conclusion.  But until that point, you're just comparing apples to oranges.[/quote]

I would say 06 and up.  Most of these girls will stay now with Loudoun.  I know for fact girls that played Loudoun, eventually left to go McLean because of ECNL.  Not going to happen any longer.  Of course, there might be one or two here in there.  This will keep Loudoun more competitive.  Time will show this.

So any naysayers can eat a big fat one...

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If Loudoun was so good as developing, driving far away isn't desirable and the GDA is so restrictive, they never should have left in the first place for FCV or McLean or anywhere else.  Fact is that Loudoun is NOT doing a good job across the board at developing and players that want more, leave.  That will continue even if less go to FCV.  Loudoun wants to keep players and attract players from far away like McLean supposedly did, they would simply do a better job at developing.  Kickball trophies at U-little ages mean nothing in the long run.  [/quote]

Huh? They left previously for ECNL and DA to play in the top leagues. That’s the point. The are now staying now that Loudoun has ECNL.

Loudoun is keeping players now that are rising to ECNL ages. That is no longer in doubt.[/quote]

You and I agree.  This other dude can't comprehend the situation.  Also, not sure why he talks about Loudoun playing kickball.  I think his soccer knowledge is very limited.  [/quote]

Playing kickball.  Lol.

In order to encompass an entire club to playing kickball, a LOT of games would have to be watched, and I doubt anyone here goes to clubs games on that level that would show that.

EVERY club has a team or two or three that play just kickball type soccer.   But you cant take that one team and say an entire club plays that way. Its far reaching and ignorant.[/quote]

Not only that but what's so wrong with kickball? If I can recall there are professional teams that play kickball to each is own a win is a win[/quote]

I like this discussion so I will chime in. This comment above shows an emphasis on winning above learning to play the game right. Play the game right and the wins will come. But it may take time, many mistakes and bad losses along the way.  Most clubs and thereby coaches and then the parents don’t have the stomach, knowledge or the patience to truly develop. Playing “kickball” or “direct soccer”, for those that want a euphemism, as a style aren’t developing soccer players, only kids playing soccer to win.  You could teach “direct play” in a one-day camp. Quality possession play and the confidence to play it under serious pressure takes a long long time to teach and most coaches don’t not only have the proper incentives but also lack the ability to teach it. They simply don’t know how and/or are too busy or arrogant to educate themselves.

Here is a link to a video that shows a ton of things being discussed here.

McLean 01, in my opinion, is playing very good soccer and playing a very strict possession style. Here, they get their butts kicked. Some would say they lost 4-0 while outplaying their opponent. Some would say the result speaks for itself. But even down big and late in a must-win game for significant stakes, they maintain their style of play. This is the philosophy that this team has used to get to this level and do so over a period of a few years.  The players have been patient and so have the parents and now the results have come. The improvement is significant and these players now could move to an other possession style team in the future (college) with significant experience and ability to play that way against top teams and serious pressure. Could they have won more playing direct sometimes?  Maybe and maybe they did. Because switching mid-game to playing direct when you already know possession is much, much easier than playing possession when all you’ve done is play and train direct soccer to get more wins.

Youth soccer in America is full of clubs and coaches that have incentives to win above all else. These incentives are why we don’t produce players and teams that are the among the best in the world. This has been true in the men’s game without dispute and I feel the women’s game and players will end up in the same place as more and more countries are implementing their philosophies for women now. Our head start has evaporated.

This isn’t about whether our children are good enough to make national teams. It’s about creating an environment where playing the sport with creativity and intelligence makes the game more joyous for the children playing it. When everyone touches the ball and the players are encouraged to be creative with passing, movement and skills the game is more fun. With talented players, wins follow and then everyone is happy. It’s a marathon to get there but our system wants results instantaneously. I agree with the posters that say it is coach and team specific. This is true. And what also is true is that no coach or club will ever tell you they play direct soccer. They ALL claim to play possession. And like another poster hinted at, it is easy to play possession against a vastly inferior opponent. You get better by trying it against the most intense pressure.

If you want your child to truly develop as a soccer player, beware the coach and club that tells you how much they win.  Watch video if you can find it, or go to the games of teams your child is interested in and watch. Watch the game play, the amount of time each team has the ball, how many touches each player is getting, the confidence of the players, the communication of the coaches and even more so, the communication of the players among themselves. If they are instructing each other like mini coaches and not just yelling “clear it” or “send it” then they have been and are still getting educated.  Paying attention to the details is important if you’re looking for development.

Anyone who knows me personally may know who I am based on my post.

https://youtu.be/JlKICKIYvj0
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