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Women say, over and over, they would like more access to these fields, but they are discouraged from pursuing them, they are harassed, and they are discriminated against, and at some point its easier to go into teaching or family law or pediatrics where you don't have to deal with asshole brogrammers or litigators or surgeons all day. And instead of leaders saying, hey, we're probably missing out on a lot of great talent (getting the top 10% of men and top 10% of women is better than getting the top 20% of men, after all)--maybe we should listen to what the women are saying and think about whether we should try and change the way we do things to maximize the talent pool, all we hear is "it's just about different interests" and everyone carries on with the status quo.

This thread, and the comments on every article about this manifesto, and the eight gazillion posts on Reddit, are all full of men trying to justify what this guy said. TRY AND JUST ACCEPT WHAT WOMEN KEEP TELLING YOU. Stop assuming they are wrong. Try and imagine what you would do if they were right. [/quote]

[b]There are already outreach programs for women, extra resources given to women, support groups for women, professional groups for women for networking.[/b] Teaching styles, communication styles, and work processes have been changed to be more female friendly.  More workplaces offer telework, flex time, and other child friendly policies. Corporations provide education to their workforce or what is considered inappropriate behavior and HR staff get involved in discplinary actions when staff don't meet these needs.  Its not the 1950's anymore.

Even in scandinavia, arguably the most gender equitable region in the world has similar divisions between male dominated jobs and female oriented jobs, even when they actually have set asides for research grants and the like.

What do you suggest?

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Female engineer here, and the special programs and resources you are talking about don't exist in my industry - which is aerospace.  In college we did have SWE (society of women engineers), but men were welcome at all events, including networking events.

As for the flexible workplaces you talk about - where available, they benefit men just as much as women (i.e. not special benefits available only to women).  I will concede though that maternity leave is more generous than paternity leave.

I have definitely experienced hostility at my work, and I'm in my mid 30s so I'm not talking about stuff that happened a long time ago. I'm talking about stuff that happened recently.  Women are harder on women at work (i.e. I've found that many female admins are hostile to female engineers, but are very nice to male engineers)

Some of my OLDER male colleagues with stay at home wives don't understand why I can't afford to put in extra hours at work and don't seem to understand the concept of efficiency.  (i.e. My 45 hour work week is more productive than his 60 hour work week).[/quote]

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