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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn[/quote]

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
[b]10. Brown[/b][/quote]

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern ![/quote]

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.[/quote]

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.  [/quote]

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern. [/quote]

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.[/quote]

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)  :lol: 
 
Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too![/quote]

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.[/quote]
Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too. [/quote]

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to. [/quote]

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?[/quote]

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT. [/quote]

We had quite a few unhooked (neither legacy/athlete/donor) into Ivies at our DC private this year.  Much more than years past.[/quote]

We noticed the same thing.  I think there are new admissions algorithms being used in response to making admissions race blind.[/quote]

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