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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] The point is, both the US government and the US Constitution recognize "life" at birth.[/quote]

The Constitution recognizes citizenship at birth. Not what you said.

Keep pretending a baby isn’t alive before he or she is born. You’re doing a fine job making pro-choice people look bad.[/quote]

You have it backwards. You inability to let people live their lives as they see fit, imposing YOUR religious beliefs on to others is unconstitutiuonal. You need to own your tyranny for what it is.[/quote]

I’m pro-choice. Claiming babies aren’t alive before they’re born is insane. [/quote]

The point is, the US Constitution wasn't silent on what constitutes "citizenship"

More important, if pro-choice people admit (as we do) that a late term fetus is "alive" then anti-Choice people should admit there is a pre-viability point at which a fetus is not alive, and that termination/choice should be totally fine. However, that isn't what we have now, is it?[/quote]

Citizenship isn’t relevant here. Personhood is. You are also going to lose the debate arguing that a pre-viable fetus is not alive so take a different tack.

Termination/choice up to viability should be fine because it balances the right to bodily autonomy of the mother with the rights of the child. After viability, the state should be allowed to place some restrictions. Those restrictions might just be requirement of a doctor, life of the mother, imminent death of the fetus due to conditions that cannot be fixed. The reason Alito’s opinion is so weak is because it values the life of a fetus at conception over the bodily autonomy of the parent.

The Mississippi law was going to be allowed to stand. The decision is between no bodily autonomy for the woman or federally recognized bodily autonomy up to 15 weeks minimum (states have option of longer).

Which would you prefer? I’m pro choice, but I recognize that they have SCOTUS for the next five years minimum. Alito and Thomas are both in their early 70s. They’d have to both be replaced by liberal judges. This means keeping the Presidency and Senate through 2028 which means keeping the governorships in MI and PA.[/quote]

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