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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.[/quote]

Thank you for your perspective. Why don't any of the defenders ever address the posts from LEOs or others who work in law enforcement?[/quote]

I notice this too. 
Every time an obviously very experienced LEO explains the myriad ways in which these ICE officers exceeded their authority, the MAGA cult completely ignores it and continues with its ignorance and lies. [/quote]

I'm a LEO.  My goal is to go home safely after work.  At the Academy we were taught that in case of doubt, it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.  People who deliberately place themselves in positions where they can reasonably be perceived as threats have only themselves to blame for the consequences if the LEO they choose to confront sees their behavior as threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force.  Playing chicken with a LEO on the assumption that your behavior won't be perceived that way is demonstrably reckless, foolish, and stupid.  [/quote]

This is correct.  [/quote]

And he'll be able to that case at court. This will follow him for years.[/quote]

Agree.  And judgement will be based on if it was reasonable for him to fear serous bodily harm to himself or partners, from his perspective, in that moment. [/quote]

Close.

It is not from "his perspective".  It is from the perspective of a "reasonable person." It is an objective standard not a subjective standard.[/quote]

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