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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Fetuses are not "potential life", they are a separate living human being, scientifically speaking. [/quote]
If they’ve never been alive outside the womb, they’re potential life. Under the law (which is what we’re discussing) babies aren’t granted the status of living person until they’re born alive. Besides, this draft opinion is not grounded in science.[/quote]

Under which law(s)? You’re making stuff up now. They may not be citizens or registered persons, but doubtful there is a law that defines life. If there were a law, rulings like RvW wouldn’t be necessary. That’s the crux of the issue. Pass a law that clearly defines human life and what may be done legally “by others” to that human life at its various stages. Fetus, baby, toddler, teen, adult, senior, invalid, death bed patient, comatose patients, death row inmate, etc. then we can all stop being hypocrites.  [/quote]

Can a fetus get a social security number?
Is a man responsible for fetus support?

No?

Then it isn't a life in the eyes of the government.[/quote]

Some of you need to stop it with the argument that a social security number is the defining feature of when the government recognizes personhood. It’s wrong and gives cover to MAGA voters that want to pull rights from documented snd undocumented immigrants. Due Process in 15th applies to all persons. If you want to argue that personhood starts at birth, please do that argument instead. Some of us disagree and think that after viability, states should be able to balance the rights of the mother with a viable fetus which is why Roe/Casey was a good balance.

But the argument that those without a social security number is not recognized as life in the eyes of the government is just false.[/quote]

+1.   When people are immigrating to the US, it takes them a while to get SSNs. We cant just shoot them while they are waiting though. [/quote]

Sorry.  The Conservative members of this Court, and their supposed judicial philosophy, have repeatedly stated that non-citizens do not hold full rights.  In fact, that whole area of law is likely another unenumerated right of the Constitution that's now been overturned.  Under their own construction, non-citizens have limited, if any, rights.  A fetus cannot ever become a citizen under the Constitution.  Ergo, according to the previous opinions and judicial philosophy of Samuel Alito and Ginni Thomas' husband a fetus has no rights regardless.of whether it is a life or not.[/quote]

Are you saying it's okay to shoot immigrants? What is your end game with this argument? You can argue in favor of abortion rights without declaring open season on immigrants. Yeesh. [/quote]

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