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Yes, PP, I do realize this.  I stated that Asians are de facto whites in general in academics because they are not "under represented minorities", and have high test scores *as a group*.  I am not talking about individuals.  You can chill.  I am not insinuating that there are no black or hispanic smart people.[/quote]

PP, I think that you really need to distinguish between "having high test scores" and "being white". To generalize -- white people do not consider Asian people to be de-facto whites in academics; white people consider Asian people to be not-black-or-Hispanic people. And, although I am not Asian, it does not seem to me that (as another generalization) Asian people consider themselves to be de-facto white people. If anything, Asian people consider white people to be

a. not-black-or-Hispanic people
b. the beneficiaries of affirmative action benefiting white people at the expense of Asian people.[/quote]

In terms of academics, when they look at things like white vs minorities, they usually lump Asians in with whites.   The funny thing is, when these two groups -- white and asian - compete for spots in elite univ, then they have different sets of standards.

I am Asian. I don't consider myself white in terms of race, obviously, but I know that when academia talks about whites and minorities, they usually lump us in with whites. Maybe it's because as a whole, asians are a small minority.  But, yes, this is what happens.  It is a disservice to many of the poor asian families who aren't educated and are low income. They are equally at a disadvantage as blacks and hispanics when it comes to enrichment and access.[/quote]

No Asians are not considered White. Just think about how many GT programs are under attack national wide, be it TJ or Stuvy in NYC, it is always because Asians are the dominant group in those schools.  The IVYs put a lid on Asian population, we only hear about protests here and there. Asians are in a terrible position. To go to the same top school, they need a SAT score that is 160 higher than Whites. I don't blame any Asian parents who fight to get their kids into the HGCs etc. They need any advantage they can get to level the playing field. [/quote]

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