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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig.  I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.[/quote]
Crazy people can be intelligent and excellent planners. Mental illness is just not the irrational, mumbling homeless people you see wondering the D.C. streets. 
Mental illness is an insidious, awful thing that is manifested in myriad ways.[/quote]

Crazy comes in degrees. I am sure most people have some degree of crazy. Stop making excuses for this criminal. He wasn't too crazy to not know what he was doing was wrong. He disguised himself and possibly wore body armor to protect himself. [/quote]
Not PP, but how is saying he's crazy an excuse? There is no excuse. But to perpetrate something like this, you must have issues. You just have to. Doesn't mean you are incapable of planning and executing the plan.[/quote]
Thanks - I am the one  to whom pp was responding. I don't understand when people say calling someone crazy is excusing  their actions. That is dumb as hell. Crazy or sane, if you are dangerous you need to be locked up somewhere. How is that excusing anything? This right here is how and why we have  broken mental health system in this country, we think  identifying and understanding mental illness is excusing it. Stupid.[/quote]

If you want people to accept mental illness as an excuse, then you have to accept it for all groups of people. It is always an excuse for whites, but other racial groups are automatically assumed criminal without any regards to their mental state. Now, that's dumb as hell. [/quote]
More than one person told you that mental illness is not an excuse. Yet you continue to pander about your own delusions. Can't you read?[/quote]

Then stop using it as an excuse, reason, or validation.  [b]He is a mass murderer. A thug. A criminal. A monster.[/b] There are plenty of people with mental illnesses of varying degrees and they are not murderes, thugs, monsters. [/quote]

Yes.  You can rightfully call him all of these things.  [b]Why does it bother you so much that he also is clearly mentally ill?  [/quote][/b]

It doesn't. He may or not be. What bothers me is that when the murderer is white, that is the immediate go to, as if white people would never kill unless affected by mental illness. What bothers me is the hypocrisy so many of you display. [/quote]

But we're not talking about any kind of killing.  There is such a thing as a rational killing and this is not it.  Oddly, most (not all, but most) recent mass murderers and serial killers in this country are white males.  Of course they're mentally ill.  WHO THE F*CK WOULD DO THAT IF THEY WEREN'T?  Would anyone question that Jeffrey Dahmer was mentally ill?  Of course not.  He freaking ATE people!  That's doesn't mean he wasn't a monster.  Why can't I say this f*cked up individual was an evil monster and also acknowledge that he is mentally ill?  Psychopathy is a mental illness, is it not?  I would say the same about the beltway snipers.  How does that make me a hypocrite?[/quote]
What you are failing to see is that the other poster is saying the the usual/general go to narrative when there is an alleged black perpetrator is that the black perpetrator is a "thug","animal", "evil". And this is the language that is used to describe an array of black male alleged perpetrators whether they are alleged to have committed a mass killing or playing with a toy gun in the park.  
The go-to for alleged black killers is that they are evil and less than human, they are not described with adjectives that suggest that they are humans with mental defects. It is another manifestation of institutionalized and often unacknowledged racism in this society. 
Get it?
That does not mean that this young guy is not crazy. Dude can be crazy and there can also be racism in our society.[/quote]

I completely get that, but [b]I[/b], as an individual, am not and would not use "thug" or "animal" to describe a black perpetrator if he shot up a church full of white people.  [b]I[/b] would say that person is mentally ill.  So when [b]I[/b] say that the perpetrator is mentally ill, regardless of his race, I am not "excusing" anything and I certainly don't believe I am a hypocrite.  I believe race relations in this country are terrible.  I believe black lives matter.  I believe the way we recognize and treat mental illness in this country needs to be examined.  I believe this man should in no way have had access to a firearm.  I believe this was an evil act, I believe the perp was a racist terrorist, AND I believe he was mentally ill.  Why can't we as individuals have a conversation about all those factors, which all are clearly at play, without someone calling me a hypocrite because some other white people that I don't agree with would have called him a thug if the races were switched in this scenario?[/quote]
I am the pp to whom you are responding. I don't think u are a hypocrite, I was just trying to explain. I think the other poster is upset and scared and angry. Black folks don't have it easy these days, we can't even go to church.  [/quote]

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