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Since you ask. Concubine (those whom your right hand possesses) by definition refers to sex, and all the quotes above are in the context of defining who the Muslim man can have sex with. In the bolder part, what do you think "we have made lawful into you...those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee . . .[/b]" means? That the Muslim man can have sex with captured women.

You can't possibly be arguing that she's consenting to sex with the guy who killed her husband or her other male family members. Or can you? On the concubine thread you cited a few verses that say a Muslim man can't sell his concubines out to other men (he can't prostitute them). You never proved that "sex with your captor" is somehow better than, or different from, rape.

Honestly, you must be a troll trying to provoke people into spelling out the most difficult parts of Islam. Anybody who's watched even 1 episode of 1 crime procedural knows the first rule of arguing a case: don't ask questions you don't know the answer to, or questions you don't want the jury to hear the answer to. [/quote]

With all due respect I understand the expression "those whom their right hands possess" (i.e., "those whom they rightfully possess") relates either to slaves taken captive in a war and/or, to all who are dependent on another for their livelihood and thus become the latters' responsibility. The placing of one's dependants on an equal footing with oneself with regard to the basic necessities of life.

How did you arrive at it as just being slaves?  While it is fac that the pre-Islamic society had slavery, I question the use of it solely in the phrase since the word Abd (slave,who is totally subordinated) would have then been used to relate that fact.

...And [also prohibited (for marriage) to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

I see that as you could marry slave or dependent and also saying it is unlawful to have sex unless married and they must be virgins to wed.

Not an argument. Just a conundrum.[/quote]

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