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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the lack of transparency is huge. They really need to switch to just having some basic paramaters (SATs/ACTs above X, top X% of graduating class) and then have a lottery for spots. [/quote]

That sounds like a recipe for going back to when it was  designed to admit even more advantaged students then the current system allows.  That's certainly not going to help the Fox News viewers that someone was posting about on here.[/quote]

But a lottery for students who meet certain clear academic thresholds would get rid of the admissions advantages for expensive sports or starting your own charity (that only your parents donate to - I have a friend whose kids used this to get into an Ivy) or getting an internship at your dad's friends company. With Khan academy a smart kid anywhere can study for the SATs and be in the top of their class if they have the drive.[/quote]

lottery away for your next future crop of private equity vultures and corporate lawyers. Who cares?  Maybe we could take a little more time and attention to find our future nuclear physicists and biochemists, etc.   not sure I want my transplant surgeon to be the lottery winner.[/quote]

THose jobs are not open to only people who went to Yale (or a top college). But if Yale said, there is no meaningful difference among students with SATs above 1550 who are in the top 5% of their graduating class so we will do a lottery I would take that over the current system. if they wanted to, they could run separate lotteries by state or to ensure a class that represents the U.S. by family income. But that takes power away from the school so it will never happen.[/quote]

There is no meaningful difference between a 1500 and a 1550, where do you draw the line?  Private institutions get their own priorities.[/quote]

There is a big difference between a 1500 and a 1550.  And a bigger difference between a 1550 and a 1600.  Dartmouth themselves published that if the higher your SAT bucket the better your chance of admission.[/quote]

The difference between a 1550 and a 1600 typically comes down to the individual exam and a careless mistake or two with zero difference in capabilities. Not sure about the digital SAT but a single careless mistake on the old one could result in a 7890 or a 800 depending on the particular exam. Two misses could be a 770 or a 790 depending on the exam. There is not difference. The GPA differences between admitted students at that level are measured in a few hundredths of a point. YOu could find more correlation in the time of day for a class or the professor than you could in an SAT score.[/quote]
Not making a careless mistake *is* a capability.[/quote]

not really[/quote]

So good surgeons just avoid mistakes through happenstance?[/quote]

Through procedures [/quote]

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