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"How many women have none of these things? How do they live and exist with none of these things? Where have you met these women?"

DP but I spent a career as a police officer.  Plenty of people have no I.D. All it takes is to get your wallet stolen, work a 9-5 p.m. job where you can't personally go to DMV to get replacements, have such a strict budget that you can't afford the $30 for a new license or $130 for a passport. People go to hospitals or jail and have all their personal items misplaced by authorities.  Until a few years ago, you had to go to a state office in Richmond to get an official birth certificate.  Can you take a day off work to travel?   I had to do that to get my first passport.  The VA birth certificate that was good enough for school and my job wasn't good enough for a passport. Can you easily put your hands on your marriage certificate?  Is it in wallet form so it's easy to carry?  These laws will shut out the poor and unmotivated, and I know it's the point.

It was a PITA to get one of my sons a Real I.D. driver's license.  He is a full-time student with no lease, no utility payments, and even his phone bill is in my name. It was easier getting his passport, so that was one of the documents DMV accepted. Again, I doubt most people have $130 lying around for a passport these days. Last spring I forced him to get all his documents in order and paid all the fees. [/quote]

The right wing keeps trying to frame it as "dems are saying women and poor people are too stupid/dysfunctional to get ID and that's insulting" but that's not even the right argument, it''s a right wing deflection from the real issue:

If it costs even $0.01 to get documentation needed to vote it's a de-facto poll tax and poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Plus, it's clear that it's not about "voting fraud" - that's a false fearmongering tactic that the right wing is using.  There's absolutely no credible evidence that illegals are "stealing elections."  In the hundreds of millions of ballots cast over the last 10 years there are barely a few dozen proven cases of illegal votes.  Not even remotely enough to swing any elections to steal them from Republicans.   But when hundreds of thousands of LEGAL voters start getting disenfranchised, that WILL swing elections.  Republicans aren't stopping steals.  They are committing steals.  [/quote]

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