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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] :thumbdown: [quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year? If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?[/quote] There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.[/quote] Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.[/quote] Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.[/quote] College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.[/quote] The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch Been repeated here at nauseum [/quote] Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.[/quote] You make absolutely no sense whatsoever The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have The main one being Graduation Year It does not matter which club team they are on [/quote] You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school. [/quote] Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating What about this fact is lost on you?[/quote] What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.[/quote] If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway BY or SY or GY [/quote] Correct! But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible. With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school. With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.[/quote] Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them. Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak [/quote] Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.[/quote] Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year. This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe[/quote] Might want to check your own IQ In BY trapped players are playing up a grade. In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade. The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.[/quote] What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?[/quote] If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?[/quote] What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?[/quote] Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would. https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition[/quote] Nope. Doesn't count. When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools [/quote] So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because. Come on drop the facade and face reality.[/quote] Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).[/quote] Please shut up. I already have. https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition[/quote] Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.[/quote] But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....[/quote] They stated the date window. Fact They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact[/quote] Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them. [/quote] What are August and September players misaligned with?[/quote] There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change. There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.[/quote] It only matters if your kid plans to play in college. Also, not inappropriate at all.[/quote]Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).[/quote] Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team. If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.[/quote] You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?[/quote] We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works ;-)[/quote] Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1. [/quote] This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group. Truly bizarre beliefs.[/quote] If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.[/quote] In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.[/quote] how are you so dense? Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level. Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective. General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.[/quote] Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?[/quote] This is how it works for every other sport on the planet. Do I need to be a college coach to understand whats obvious?[/quote] You're admitting you are not knowledgeable on college recruiting for soccer but you don't need the knowledge to make comments masquerading as facts. Admirable [/quote] What you should do is prove everyone wrong play your kid on the JV team and land that full ride. It will totally happen.[/quote] When did where you play in HS determine college soccer destiny? When last you seen a college scout at a HS game in the DMV?[/quote] All college coaches care about is... 1. Wht year players graduate? 2. Are they good enough to roster on my team? 3. Do they have the grades / test scores to get in? 4. Can the parents pay? #2 is a huge question mark when Aug/Sept players are playing on a grade down team. I wouldn't take a player like this. Especially when theres 50+ players that are playing with their grade to choose from and portal players. Honestly how can you expect a player playing against Juniors in HS to contribute on a team with players 5-6 years older that have been playing at the college level for multiple seasons. [/quote] Only you understand, or not, what you're writing The only difference between BY and SY is the shift in cutoff dates. Graduation year remains the same People who are good enough get recruited by the scouts and coaches of colleges will be recruited because the coaches are not confused about who they want.[/quote] I agree that BY and SY are just different cutoff windows and it doesnt matter. What we're discussing is younger Aug/Sept birthdays that are one grade but qualify to be the oldest on a grade down team. College coaches will catch onto to the Trojan Horse scam and quickly reject these type of players. Play with your grade or get ignored by recruiters. [/quote]That is like saying that college coaches won't recruit great players from "bad" teams, like rural teams. Silly logic, they recruit the player not the team.[/quote] If the player was so great they would be playing on a team thats their grade in school. This is how you get noticed not by playing down a grade. [/quote] At least for girls there is little physical difference between players in 10th and 11th grades. It's quite possible the players on the 10th grade team are better than those 11th grade team.[/quote] I agree which is why I dont think Aug/Sept players playing on teams that are their grade in school is an issue. Worse comes to worse and your kid isnt good enough for their grade A team they can develop and play on their grade B team. The issue with this is theres a few thread hawks that believe RAE exists into players 20s. If you think this way theres no rational thought possible.[/quote]Rae has cumulative properties. Look it up if you don't understand.[/quote] You have to give up the everything burrito 🌯 of excuses at some point.[/quote]RAE isn't an excuse. It is a factor in development. The Federation sadly hasn't addressed RAE for youth soccer with any real changes. Hopefully MLSN stays BY to address RAE on boys side but probably not realistic from a business perspective. An excuse would be something like my girl didn't get a college scholarship to play soccer because there was a girl on her team, although better than my girl, played the same position and was a grade older, but while they were in the same 12 months window of age grouping I consider it so unfair and the club and leagues all should have listened to me when I said forcing players to play up on age would protect my little girl from competition. So unfair. In summary, science can be used to understand processes and outcomes while stumping for your girl and inventing rules to advantage them specifically that no one else believes would be an excuse.[/quote] And that same girl didnt get recruited because when college coaches found out she was playing down they moved on. So yea my kids opportunity was stolen by a player playing down that was ignored by recruiters because they were playing down a grade.[/quote]Sounds like an excuse. Just saying.[/quote] Well theres probably some way I can blame RAE. [/quote]
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