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[quote]3. If liberalization of diagnostic criteria accounted for the increase in autism rates, we’d expect the fastest growing group to be the middle aged or seniors. In reality, it’s children whose ASD rate is rising fastest. [/quote]

It's almost like there is an entire infrastructure to repetitively test children and keep them in a setting where they are forced to interact with each other, and where if the child falling behind -- unlike for adults, when you are on your own -- there is another entire infrastructure with legal requirements for supports to be given and then reassessed.

Oh yeah. It's called school.

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I am an autism parent. You are trying to playfully dunk on a deeply painful subject that you know nothing about. You do not get diagnosed via school. It is of course possible—even common—for symptoms to be noticed in school, but if those symptoms are that obvious, the autism was never subtle enough to stand or fall with the particulars of the DSM edition being employed (to say nothing of the fact that the diagnostic criteria were tightened, not loosened). [/quote]

I am sorry for the challenges that come with an autistic child.

If you don't think that literal federal requirements to assess and make specific plans mean there is more diagnosis, I don't know what to tell you. Someone can lead you to information, but they can't help you understand it.

A person who can't function well at work generally gets fired, is underemployed, or just never gets hired. The exact same behaviors, challenges and mannerisms in a school environment (which cannot just "fire" him, but has a legal requirement to do something) is many times more likely to lead to a diagnosis and support plan.[/quote]
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1. Average age of diagnosis has gotten younger over time. Now it is currently 5 which means a substantial number of kids are diagnosed before school. [/quote]

And, over time, we have developed the FACE program, various state EIs (early intervention), the Easy Access Autism Screening Program providing a free screening assessment over the phone in 10 to 30 minutes, and pre-K with a specific goal of identifying children at need early.

[quote]2. IDEA was passed in the late 70s. Why would that mean an increase in diagnosis in the last twenty years would be due to school requirements?[/quote]

IDEA implementation changes over time, just like all of medicine, and politics, and funding, and support programs. In 1975, the DSM-II was still in the reference.

[quote]3. An educational “diagnosis” (I assume you mean iep category) and a medical diagnosis are not the same thing. The studies that show an increase are based on medical diagnosis.[/quote]

Do you ... think an educational assessment exists in a vacuum? That a parent told their child isn't functioning normally in school and needs special plans is then going to, what, say to themselves "well, that last thing I'm going to do is talk to a professional about this, like my child's pediatrician or a psychologist?"
 
[quote]4. Profound autism is increasing as well which is not something that would’ve been missed in a prior generation

Also as someone with an autistic kid on the milder end of the spectrum it’s amusing to me that you think that schools are rushing to diagnose kids with autism. They have bigger fish to fry. [/quote]

Funny how often I read on this site that schools are just trying to get more money out of it. I guess we can have it both ways.

[quote]Everything that I have read from people in the actual field is that the increase in autism rates[b] is diagnostic criteria changes and some other factor that they aren’t sure about yet. [/b]So not sure why you are condescendingly telling this mom misinformation. [/quote]

It is, but those diagnostic criteria don't exist in a vacuum. People use them. When the criteria change, what is looked for in early intervention changes, and what is identified as possible supports broadens. That's the way all this works.

And come on, if anyone thinks that adults would be more likely to be diagnosed has never worked with the current health care system or with the modern workforce. Adults fall through the cracks all the time. I'm glad to work with kids, because at least we can patch together help. There is little to no help for adults with disabilities, whether they have a formal diagnosis or not. They are mostly left to fend for themselves, and I cannot believe you both don't know this.[/quote]

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