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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
AO response:  There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response:  There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response:  There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response:  There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
AO response:  There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response:  Now that's unique.  We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers 
AO response:  Amazing.  You know how to monetize your influence.  It means more exposure for the university.  Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...[/quote]

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.[/quote]

A university wants[b] successful accomplished and famous alumni[/b]. 
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS. 
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.[/quote]

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.[/quote]

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.[/quote]
What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.
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What does your kid do?[/quote]

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