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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For example, US News no longer cares if colleges offer small classes. It does now care about number of Pell Grant recipients. Those are fine priorities. If they are yours, use current U News as your guide. If they are not, go back 3-4 years and follow those rankings. [/quote]

This 1000%.  While I am very happy if my kid's school supports the Pell Grant Recipients and other lower income students on campus (it's best for our society if we help ensure everyone gets a college degree that wants one), it doesn't affect my kid's education at all.  However, taking majority of courses with only 25-40 students has a major impact on my kid's education.  It means better access to professors as well (profs know you when you actually have discussions during classes and when the Prof actually has office hours as well rather than 10+ TAs holding various office hours.)

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DP.  Which school has "10+ TAs holding various office hours?  My DC attends a large school and knows all of her professors, and they know her by name as well.  I love the fiction that is being created on this thread.[/quote]

I have a kid at college ranked #150++ a huge state school - all my kids classes have fewer than 30 students except one large seminar required for all honors college students. My kids middle school had bigger classes.

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I also have a kid a large state university and the majority of classes are between 20-40 students.  Very, very few are the large auditorium-style classes.  I think people who are SLAC boosters have no actual idea of what life is like at a large school.[/quote]

It’s kind of absurd, really. But a good reminder that a lot of the info here is out of touch with reality.[/quote]
Most people interested in a lac want 0 large auditorium classes to begin. There is a substantial difference in support for 10 students in a class [b]than 100, a small-medium class at a university. [/b][/quote]

Thank you for proving the out of touch with reality point. The vast majority of classes at large universities are under 40-50 kids.[/quote]

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Frankly, a class with only ten students sounds incredibly dull.  The sweet spot is 30-50.[/quote]
Dull? Maybe if your peers are dry as a brick. You all would have died if you had to do a tutorial at Oxford.[/quote]
+1, anyone thinking 30-50 students is the adequate size is someone who wants to hide behind ignorance and not participate fully in course. They’ll say they like hearing “ideas bounce around” but it’s truly just passive learning. For centuries, small seminar and tutorial have been the leading ways to have rigorous, thoughtful education. If it didn’t matter, we’d just have massive courses for upper divs.[/quote]

Oh, dear.  The two of you need to go have your own private seminar where you can admire the sounds of your voices, and no one else's.  Sounds absolutely stimulating.[/quote]

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