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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I reject your version of feminism that is defined as the abolishment of gender norms. [/quote]

I don’t have a problem with arbitrary gender norms like skirts or whatever. I have a problem with ones that limit the freedom or dignity of one sex while not doing so for the other.

If men also had to wear engagement rings, I’d have no problem with them. Why should women have to signal they are taken but men don’t? No.[/quote]

You’re entitled to your opinion about gender norms.  I have a problem with women suggesting that other women aren’t feminist because they don’t believe the same way you do.  Women should do what they want about engagement rings, but wanting one doesn’t make a person NOT a feminist.[/quote]

DP. Words have a meaning. Feminism means equality. Expecting someone to give you a gift on the basis of your gender is not feminist. The woman in question might be a feminist but her expectations in this regard are not. 
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Feminism is advocating for equal legal rights and opportunities. You don’t get to redefine the movement for everyone. [/quote]

What millenium are you living in?  You seem to be stuck in the Second Wave of Feminism. Fourth Wave Feminisists recognize gendered norms for men and women perpetuate inequality.  They are harmful to everyone. [/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion but that’s all it is. I am a feminist whether you are advancing towards a tenth feminism or what have you. And given the sales of engagement rings, I would say most American women are like me and would expect one so your opinion is the minority. You should move on, you aren’t convincing.[/quote]

Spare us your alt-facts. Not a single person has said it's anti-feminist to [b]want[/b] a ring. It's your expectation that you should get one because that's what men give women that's anti-feminist. [/quote]

What's the difference between a want and an expectation? [/quote]

"It would be nice to have x, but it's ok if x doesn't happen" vs. "I want x and I will get mad if you don't give it to me". Expectations come with a sense of self entitlement.[/quote]

what about "I want a ring and won't get engaged to a man who refuses to give me one?" [/quote]

That transcends feminisism and lands you in red flag territory.  [/quote]

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