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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]URM Female with high stats wants to go to GMU for CS. Everyone, including her teachers, discourages her. They tell her she is better suited for UVA and VT (we have to stay in-state) but she has no desire due to their low diversity. Not everyone looking at GMU is a poor student. People select schools for several reasons. Her stats put her in the top percent of admitted students but she really liked GMU. She doesn't view the quiet weekend feel as a drawback. She loves the program, internship opportunities and diversity. [/quote]

How are schools like UVA and VT supposed to become more diverse if URMs reject them out of hand for lack of diversity?[/quote]

They invest in cohort programs, support services and actively recruit and convince students rather than just assuming they will come and thrive.[/quote]

+1. My black son isn't going to be a guinea pig. He turned down UVA due to lack of diversity and opted for Vanderbilt. He received merit scholarships from both but we would have liked him to be in VA and closer to home. He is starting hid sophomore year this year and is very happy there.[/quote]

So your kid made a decision based on a 3% difference in black students at one school vs another?  🤔   might be time to stop patting yourself on the back.[/quote]

Maybe you need to retake basic math. [b]3% is a big difference.[/b] Would you want a 3% raise or a 6% raise? Also, I don't have kids at either school but Google says it's a 4% difference. Again, a lot! Congrats to your son OP. My DD wants to go to Vandy. She's not a minority but it's her dream school. [/quote]

Is it???

3% DIFFERENCE in the percentage of AA students is NOT big.
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There are 6.48% AA students at UVA.  3-4% makes that 1.5 times as many.  It's a big difference.  [b]3-4% more also means 3-4% less of the dominant group.[/b][/quote]

This attitude is exactly why things will never change. Diversity goes way beyond race and color, maybe people need to start focusing on other things beyond color of skin. [/quote]

For AA students, it's not about diversity or "skin color" it's about a sustained experience of racism for their cultural group.[/quote]

Speak for yourself, I'm black, my spouse is black and our kid's are black.  This paradigm is not what we teach our children.[/quote]

So you don't teach your kids about racism?[/quote]

We don't teach it as an impediment to success and a reason to not try your hardest to succeed in life.  You can understand that something is present and have enough pride and resilience to rise above it, not sure why this is a hard concept.[/quote]

Did anyone else say something that differs from that? You can know that there is sustained racism, prefer to attend institutions that have robust programs to support the Black community at a school, and still know it's on you to deal with it individually and that you are fully capable of it. Not sure why that's a hard concept either.[/quote]

What am I saying that is so offensive?  If you prefer to attend an institution that has robust programs to support the black community than do it.  That is simply not a prerequisite for our family and that is our journey, you live your life and raise your kids accordingly and we'll do the same.[/quote]

To me, you seemed to imply that teaching your kids about racism in institutions was not the paradigm you taught your kids-- when I responded that people who think about the race percentages represented aren't just thinking about diversity and "skin color" but rather the experiences of sustained racism in our country.

And to me it seemed that you then you indicated that somehow pride and resilience are at odds with caring about how an institution handles the fact that we are in a society with sustained racism (when you asked "not sure why that's a hard concept either" when you posted it in response to my comment about sustained racism). I think people are more likely to experience pride and resilience by acknowledging racism, fighting it, selecting institutions that show they are interested in and capable of supporting you and your community, and working hard and doing your best despite all this.   Personally, I'm not like the poster who has a firm line of not above 10% --a lot of factors go into choosing a school--but when I see 6% at a flagship state university with a Black population of more than 3x that in the state, it raises questions for me and is a mark against it.  So I'm fine with you thinking different, but your comments seemed antagonistic.  Sorry if I misinterpreted.

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