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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not me but my sister's friend had an abortion last year in her late 30's . It was a very much wanted pregnancy, but after a heartbreaking prenatal diagnosis they made the difficult choice to terminate.

My very pro-life mother was telling about this and understood why the woman made this choice and supported this choice.  I then told her "this is why I support a woman's right to have an abortion." To which my mother told me "This isn't an abortion, This is different."  Make it make sense.[/quote]

Your mom is wrong, which is why I wanted to share my story (op)[/quote]

Here you go being all nonsensical again OP. Congratulations. Your abortion story wins, okay?[/quote]
You still don’t get it. TFMR is abortion, and [b]it will go away where abortions are disallowed[/b]. [/quote]

Which states are outlawing abortion in the case of medical emergencies?

I know the law in Texas, for example, explicitly states, that an abortion may be performed "to avert the woman's death or a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function."

These are similar to provisions in European countries where abortion is forbidden, except for medical reasons, beyond the first trimester (or somewhat later, but in most countries not beyond 12-14 weeks). Even in Poland, where abortions are completely forbidden and (the media I've seen confirms) ob/gyns are more hesitant to provide them even though there is a provision for medical emergencies, maternal mortality is quite low (indicating that these procedures are being performed when needed).

I think some people are genuinely fearful and panicked about this issue, and I'd like to reassure them that this is very likely just a pro-choice talking point. If you are pro-choice, you know that even if you could be reassured that in 100% of medical emergencies (and even 100% of cases of rape and incest) we could guarantee that women would have access to abortion, that is not your goal. I am not saying that's a bad thing-- I think, for example, the rules in much of Europe where abortion can be obtained for any reason within the first trimester and for medical reasons beyond then, are reasonable. But part of the reason we are having this debate is because a very small minority of pro-choice activists in the U.S. aren't willing to compromise on a position most people support because they want abortion to be legal, with zero restrictions, up until the moment a woman gives birth. They have to use other arguments-- "If we don't allow this, women will be denied abortions even when there is a clear medical reason!"-- because this position appears so radical even to most people who consider themselves pro-choice.[/quote]
Ohio.
[twitter]https://twitter.com/davidnhackney/status/1541359697009197056?s=21&t=RaYZPQKHasexl7Bp0VMZJw[/twitter][/quote]

So, if Ohio changes that provision and clarifies that ending non-viable pregnancies is not “abortion” (which is clearly specified in at least some other states’ laws, btw), are you ok with the Ohio law?  No? You better make that case now.

The problem I see here is that there is so much focus on these edge cases that can be easily excepted that very few, if any, are actually making the case for choice overall. A lot of these state laws were passed as political statements at a time when few thought they would ever come into force. What you’ll see is states revisiting them to clarify & address these concerns without changing the underlying restrictions. [/quote]

I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time -- I have no problem arguing that women should have the right to choose whether to carry a pregnancy to term (yes, even if she's a big slutty slut and yes, even if the fetus is "a baby" (it's not, but even if it was)) AND point out the absolutely horrific edge-case consequences.  [/quote]

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