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Most of all, it’s sad that you’re spending all this time trying to undermine the [b]real[/b] hypocrisy of homophobes, which lies in adhering to Leviticus on homosexuality, even as they agree with other Christians that Jesus did away with all the other Levitical rules, including dietary rules (certainly for gentiles like them and even if they accept your tangential argument about Jewish converts)?[/quote]

That’s been my point all along. I don’t believe Jesus eliminated laws against kosher meats when he was arguing with the Pharisees about his disciples eating bread without washing their hands. If that were true, Peter wouldn’t have been shocked at the suggestion that he eat un kosher meat in Acts after Jesus had died. But if Christians want to believe that, fine. For the umpteenth time, what bothers me is Christians (and liberal Jews) cherry picking Leviticus 18:22 and using it to justify hating homosexuals. That doesn’t seem to bother (a small number) of people here.

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It’s clear you don’t read others’ posts, so let’s try again.

Look, you can believe what you want about Jesus and dietary laws, and you can believe what you want about Peter (even though the rest of scholarship thinks otherwise on both issues and your arguments are really thin).

But your thoughts on these issues have zero bearing on whether homophobes are hypocrites.

Here’s the hole in your logic about hypocrisy: arguing that some Jewish converts to Christianity might (or might not) have kept kosher has zero bearing on whether homophobic Billy Bob is a hypocrite for not following the rest of Leviticus. Why? Because Billy Bob is probably of Western European origin and even you agree gentiles don’t need to keep kosher.

So what hypocrisy are you pointing out to Billy Bob? There is no hypocrisy using your logic.

You’ve got it upside down, or backwards.

There’s real hypocrisy when the homophobe rejects all of Leviticus (as almost 2,000 years of Christian theologians have done) except for a few passages prohibiting homosexuality. That’s the hypocrisy. But you can’t see it because you’re so intent on dismissing the aforementioned nearly 2,000 years of Christian theology and tradition. [/quote][/quote]

No, I’m not arguing Gentiles don’t have to keep kosher. I’m arguing nobody has to keep kosher. How many times have I got to say it?  Leviticus should be regarded as a purely historical document written by men, not God. [/quote]

The problem is that you keep changing what you say.

As a scholar of the gospels you claimed, and I quote yet again, “Jesus did not eliminate the dietary rules.” This was the basis for your illogical claim that homophobes are hypocrites (and once again, while I agree they’re hypocrites, it’s for a reason that makes much more sense).

In this current post you’re talking as an atheist who thinks Leviticus and all other scripture have no import because they’re written by men.

Can you blame a person for being confused about which hat you’re wearing in a given post, and concluding that you talk out of both sides of your mouth?[/quote]

That’s right. I said Jesus did not eliminate the law against eating non kosher meat when he argued with the Pharisees about eating bread without washing one’s hands. If he had, Peter wouldn’t have been shocked by the suggestion that he eat non kosher meat in Acts. But my position is that Leviticus was written by man, not God. There’s nothing Holy about it. It never was God’s law. [/quote]

Look, if we say that the reason that we don’t keep kosher is because Jesus eliminated the kosher law [b]that implies that Leviticus really is God’s law[/b] and homosexuality is an abomination because Jesus never abrogated Leviticus 18:22. My argument is that none of it was ever God’s Law so there never was any Godly prohibition against homosexuality. [/quote]

No. You’re still missing the point.

TBH your obsession with dietary laws is baffling. Jesus didn’t just eliminate the dietary laws, he eliminated [b]all[/b] Levitical laws. It’s been explained to you by others and myself that Jesus eliminated [i]all[/i] of Leviticus through multiple sayings, including but not limited to “on these two laws (love god and neighbor) hang all the law and the prophets.” And as we’ve also explained to you multiple times, Christians [b]don’t[/b] follow other Levitical rules, for example Christians don’t follow Levitical rules about ritual purification or fabrics or offerings (Jesus is the offering). For someone with a Christian mother, you really know very little about it.

You and the homophobes therefore seem to be on the same page about one thing: none of you thinks Leviticus needs to be followed. For different reasons: the homophobes think Jesus replaced it (“fulfilled” it) and you’re an atheist. And there’s where you can find the hypocrisy—[b]they don’t think Leviticus is still God’s law except for that single passage on homosexuality.  [/b][/quote]

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