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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID[/quote]

“Just how tough are new voter identification requirements in Texas? Apparently tough enough that former U.S. House speaker Jim Wright reportedly was denied a voter ID card on Saturday.

"Nobody was ugly to us, but they insisted that they wouldn't give me an ID," Wright, a Democrat who resigned from Congress in 1989, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in a story about his experience at a Texas Department of Public Safety office.

The 90-year-old told the newspaper he realized last week that he didn't have a valid ID to vote in Tuesday's elections. He said he was refused a voter ID card because his driver's license expired in 2010 and his faculty identification from Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, where he teaches, doesn't meet requirements under the state law enacted in 2011.”
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3422047[/quote]

Maybe don’t wait until day of as your only option?  [/quote]

I find that the people who say it’s not that hard to get an ID have lead a pretty easy life in that they’ve had steady, good paying jobs, access to transportation, probably haven’t had to move much, have enough money to pay for duplicate documents, access to a easy access to a computer to locate documents, and has bills, leases, property, etc. in their own name.

I took a break from my career to stay home with my kids.  While I was a SAHM I had to renew my license and the Real ID law had gone into effect. I’m a lawyer and pulling all the required documents was no joke. I was lucky—I had a passport because we are affluent enough to be able to take a vacation outside of the US and I also needed it for work.  If I didn’t have the passport I would have needed more documents. I was also lucky that we own a home and both of our names are on the tax bill. Having that document made things easier. Fortunately when we bought our house we shared the responsibility of calling and establishing various utility accounts so some of the utilities were in my name.  That helped too.  Oh, yes, I had a 401k and investment accounts in my own name so that helped.  You may say it’s no big deal getting an ID but actually it is not easy and many states require an ID that actually requires you to produce a monumental amount of documents,the vast majority of which are easier to obtain the more affluence you have.

Voting is a Constitutional right. Entering a restaurant or going to a concert isn’t. [/quote]

Why do people need to make this so difficult?  1) Birth certificate or passport, 2) social security card or W2 and 3) two current bills or driver's license or mortgage/rent statement.  You can order a birth certificate online if you don't have yours (it's not expensive or difficult), everyone should have #2 and #3.  Why are people so flustered by this?  [/quote]
You haven’t read all the examples.[/quote]

I don’t think it would matter to the PP is they read all the examples. They either aren’t listening or they don’t care to listen.  In their own response they say “You can order a birth certificate on line”.  I spoke with people in Mississippi who list their neighbors phone number for voter contact and other contact because they can’t afford their own phone. You think she has access to the internet?  It is well known that there are areas of the country that lack internet access and that many households lack access.  Remember how this was an issue for online schooling?  I can give other examples but I honestly do not think you are interested or willing to listen.  Maybe you are like some of my relatives who think that people who don’t have a certain level of affluence shouldn’t be voting or it’s their problem they can’t vote and not your’s.  I don’t know.  At any rate, in this country there are millions of people who not only can’t put themselves in someone else’s shoes and think “if that were me how would I want to be treated,” but are proud that they don’t do that.  [/quote]

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