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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]40-year ROI tiers:

$2 million: Stanford, MIT
$1.9 million: Harvard, Babson, Georgetown
$1.8 million: Harvey Mudd, Penn, Caltech
$1.7 million: Yale, Columbia, Duke, CMU, Georgia Tech
$1.6 million: Lehigh, Princeton, Notre Dame, Cornell
$1.5 million: Washington & Lee, Villanova, Dartmouth, Tufts, USC, Case Western, Claremont McKenna, JHU
$1.4 million: BC, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Holy Cross, UChicago, GWU, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Lafayette 
$1.3 million: Rice, Northeastern, Berkeley, Brown, Drexel, Emory, Michigan, Bowdoin, Amherst, Trinity, UMD, Colgate, Union, U of Richmond, Virginia Tech, Pepperdine, UCLA
$1.2 million: UIUC, BU, UVA, Wake Forest, Baruch, UCSD, BYU, UWashington, Wellesley, George Mason, UC Irvine, Hamilton, Syracuse, UT-Austin, Pomona, UC Davis, SMU, Rochester, Davidson, William & Mary, Stony Brook, UConn, Texas A&M, UMiami, Colby, Haverford, Williams, Delaware, Rutgers, U of Baltimore, NYU, Florida, Bates, Barnard
$1.1 million: AU, Franklin and Marshall, Middlebury, UNC, Purdue, James Madison, Wisconsin-Madison, Fordham, Swarthmore, UC Santa Barbara, Dickinson, UIC, Brandeis, Yeshiva, Gettysburg, Utah, Michigan State, Bryn Mawr, Clemson, Vassar
$1 million: U of Rhode Island, Minnesota, Connecticut College, Wesleyan, U of New Hampshire, Carleton, Georgia, UPitt, UMass-Amherst, Colorado-Boulder, Temple, CCNY, Wofford, Furman, Hampden-Sydney, Indiana-Bloomington, U of Kansas, Elon, Occidental, Baylor
900k: Howard, Arizona, Auburn, Skidmore, Grinnell, Denison, Oklahoma State, Kalamazoo, U of Vermont, U of Nevada-Las Vegas

Again, second-rate private schools and LACs aren't really THAT better (as claimed by some DCUM prestige wh*res) than some of the flagship state universities that I have not listed in their entirety. [/quote]

Looking at ROI alone, Georgetown, Columbia, Penn are underrated on the WSJ rankings. Brown, JHU, Northwestern, UChicago, WashU, and USC are all a bit overrated in the T20. [/quote]

The top 3 at 40 years in this list are actually Albany College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences, St Louis College of Pharmacy, and Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences.  They are above MIT.  What this should tell you is majors matter enormously in these types of ROI rankings, and the mix of majors at a school are going to influence its ranking, and the rankings might not tell you what you think it tells you.  Georgia Tech is the highest ranked in ROI of the top USNWR "National Public Universities.  Why?  Because it has the highest percentage of engineers of those schools and engineers make about 2X as much as the typical college graduate at least through mid-career.  Georgia Tech is significantly above Berkeley and Michigan, for instance, but I would bet that that is attributable to having a much higher percentage of engineers than those schools.  If you compare engineering majors to engineering majors at those schools, I would bet that the outcome will be different.   Likewise, Virginia Tech is above UVA and other good publics.  Virginia Tech, like Georgia Tech but not to the same extent, has a relatively high percentage of engineering students compared to UVA, which has a much smaller engineering school, and UNC, which doesn't really have engineering.   If you compared major to major, I again don't think the results would be the same.  Oh, and you actually have to major in engineering to get this expected outcome.[/quote]
I'm not the pp you're responding to, but you proved my point about the schools that don't have engineering at all. Look how high Georgetown's ROI is for a school that doesn't have engineering, not even a small program. Same for Emory and U Chicago and Emory is in the SOUTH too. Considering we live/lived through the tech and.com era over the last few decades these schools are underrated. [/quote]

Georgetown probably gets a boost from graduates settling in urban areas with high cost of living, but I get your point.  There was another analysis from this same group that tried to adjust for mix of major and selectivity -- does the school do better or worse than would be expected.  https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/college-rankings/#interactive[/quote]

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