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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ahh, geez. Another thread that makes me fearful for the future of our country when people can’t discern the difference between censorship and the free market. I’m a moderate but I really hate the right at this moment for all their fear-mongering and arm-waving on click Nate topics rather than the important stuff we need to get done.

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What is the name for the free market cancelling a beloved cultual icon in accordance with an ideology I don't agree with  There is no better word than censoring right now.  If the use it enough that way, that becomes the new definition.  This happens all the time with other words.  Why fight over words? You know what they are talking about.[/quote]

Ok. So this is your definition of “censoring”. Groups of people and corporations changing what they want to promote is just how the world moves forward. Things aren’t going to stay frozen in the past with the reading lists you grew up with being the only option for your grandchildren. Sometimes you agree with the change. Sometimes you don’t. That’s life. [/quote]
When Trader Joe's tried to change the name on some of their ethnic foods to something more woke, there was a popular outcry and they reversed it.  That's life too.  So what's your real problem?[/quote]

Yeah, that’s life too. That’s just the way the free market works. (I don’t know the incident you are referring to with Trader Joe’s but I am assuming you are representing the facts correctly). I don’t understand that question about “my real problem”. [/quote]
We all know that's how the free market works.  It's foolish to claim the people you disagree don't know something obvious.  It's equally foolish to complain about people complaining, vecause they always complain about something, especially nowadays.  So what.are you actually complaining about?  [/quote]

I am complaining, I guess, about randomly making up new definitions for well understood words like censoring. As far as people complaining, they are free to do so, but should expect to be told why some might consider them to be full of it. No, I don’t think everyone understands the free market. If they did, people in this thread wouldn’t be talking about suing Dr. Seuss’ estate for censorship. [/quote]
On the right they are complaining about the new definition of racism, so I guess you are even.

I think one person said they should sue.  I've seen leftists make dumb comments too. Not everyone is so smart.[/quote]

For what it’s worth, it’s not a new definition of racism. My dad said to me when I was a kid that you can never trust a white person to see your capabilities separate from your skin color. Didn’t matter if it was my best friend’s parents.  And the decades have proved him right (but fortunately less right than he was when he said it). The thing is you are seeing POC’s definition of racism, which is not just lynchings and colored water fountains, becoming an accepted understanding of the concept of racism within some white circles too. And that worries some on the right. [/quote]
[b]"Don't trust white people" is just the mirror image of "don't trust black people,[/b] so no, that wasn't the POC definition of racism.  The definition was the same for both and both turned it down.  Until now, when black scholars said at random racism=prejudice plus power and racism is dtermine at the sole discretion of black people  and scholars steeped in the appropriate theories.  Fine, if you want to try that, but don't be surprised when you get pushback, and not just from the right.[/quote]

I'm a white person and holy cow. You don't read much history, do you? Because no one who has read widely and deeply about race relations in this country could say such an ignorant thing. At no point since slavery / Jim Crow ended did we ever start anew on a ground zero of race relations. It is absolutely understandable that when one group of people treated another group of people horribly for centuries that the mistreated group is not going to trust the group who mistreated them.

In other words "don't trust white people" resulted from white people treating black people horribly. White people are the ones to blame for that sentiment because white people couldn't be trusted to treat black people as humans. For CENTURIES.

"Don't trust black people" resulted from racist thought and intent to keep power away from black people.[/quote]
Past is not prologue.  We are not our parents.  One day you will know this.  Unfortunately, not today.[/quote]

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