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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If transgender people were just playing dress up like emo and punk people did, it wouldn't be as big an issue. [b]But they're saying their gender expression is also a representation of their sex.[/b] As a society, there are certain things we have that are sex segregated - bathrooms/changing facilities and athletics being 2 big ones. Some social groups are sex segregated.

If it were just dress up, or girls and boys being less stereotypically gendered in their dress, I really don't think many people would care. And that's where transgender gets weird. Gender isn't a thing, it's a social construct like race. Sex is a thing. But transsexual isn't the word people want to use, even though it's the area where most of the problems come up ... because saying you're a man because you're taking hormones or surgically modifying yourself to be more physically like a man is like saying you're not a human because you amputated your legs. Of course that's going to get sticky, especially since it starts to have real consequences for other people. Dress like a girl, whatever. Say you're a girl, try out for girl's athletic teams, try for girl focused college scholarships, because you're saying your gender representation is also your sex, and now you're potentially preventing girls from accessing those things. Girls sports aren't segregated because of gender representation. They're segregated because of biological, sex based differences (and years of discrimination and abuse, but that, too, is tied into biological, sex based differences).[/quote]

No, actually they're saying that their gender expression is a representation of their gender.[/quote]

Transgender women aren't interested in using women's locker rooms, and transgender girls aren't interested in trying out for girls sports or girl focused college scholarships?

Is that what you're saying? Because reality says otherwise.[/quote]

Eh, what? Of course transgender women/men want to use the women's/men's locker room. That's because people want their gender expression to be a representation of their gender.

What you want, is to require people's gender expression to be a representation of their sex. But sex and gender are two different things -- as you yourself say.[/quote]

If transgender people want their gender expression to be a representation of their sex, they're doing it wrong. Sex is biological. I am female whether I wear pants or not. I'm female whether I have breasts or not. I can have a masculine gender representation, but I will always be a biological female.

I don't care if someone's gender expression is a representation of their sex. I do care if men-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should use the women's changing room and if boys-dressed/behaving-in-a-feminine-manner decide they should play on sports teams that have been designated for the female sex or attempt to get college scholarships that have been designated for the female sex.

Change your gender representation all you want. People are mostly only going to care (barring a few extreme people - the same people who care when kids were emo, etc) when you try to encroach on things that had been sex segregated for good reason. When you try to use "gender" and "sex" interchangeably.[/quote]

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