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This thread has to been taken over by a clownish pro-Russian troll who claims the most laughably fake stuff, and a pro-Ukrainian over-enthusiastic poster who goes crazy refuting them.

You two suck all the air out of the discussion, because no one else can get a word in when you bicker and clog up the thread.

The point of a discussion is that we can all contribute. It would be nice if you could both calm down and post less. Only one of you is a troll at the service of a dictator, but the other is honestly also getting pretty annoying.

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Thank you for saying this![/quote]

There are least three of us currently shoving back on the hypocrisy about Iraq and such. You can pick it up by writing styles and time-stamps if you know what to look for.

Call us stooges, trolls, bots or what have you, but you're hearing a chorus not a soloist. [/quote]

No, I actually agree with you and I am sad you get branded as trolls.
Not saying Russia is a knight in shining armor but come on?? Everybody does it (if they are big enough) so the outrage is a little hypocritical [/quote]

"Everyone does it so Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine too!"  Again, [b]the fallacy of two wrongs[/b] somehow making a right - it's a fail.

Also, did the US remain in Iraq?  No.  And it was never the intention of the US to remain indefinitely.  Given the rationalization of "well the US did it, so..." then tell me exactly when Russia plans to leave Ukraine, after invading?  Because, Russia has EVERY intention of keeping Ukraine indefinitely.  "Well, it's always been OUR Crimea" and "Well we need space between us and NATO" and worst of all, "Well, Ukraine was never really a country and Ukrainians are all just Russians so it's not really even an invasion to conquer it."

SO MUCH bullshit rhetoric from the Russia side, yet you want to sit there like it's all just some hypocritical manufactured outrage from Americans?  Come on, man.  You cannot be serious.[/quote]

Wait wait don't tell me....are you admitting the invasion of Iraq was...drrrumm roll....wrong?

How are you going to atone? Give up your foreign assets? Disconnect yourself from SWIFT?  Come on, I wanna see some self flagellation.[/quote]

Are you new to the US?  Have you been under a rock for the last 20 years?[/quote]

Please explain how America's sins in Iraq have affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings.  How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?[/quote]

Please do tell how Russia's invasion of Ukraine has affected your travel, your finances, and your foreign holdings. How did collective responsibility affect you specifically?[/quote]

I don't live in Russia so it hasn't, but my family does and it has affected them. [/quote]

DP.
I am in the same situation .
Costs me x2-3 in time and money to visit my elderly parents 
Certain medications are no more 
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That's what Putin chose for you, and doesn't care that you have to deal with it.[/quote]

No.  The sanctions did that.  Sanctions for invading other countries are not automatic, they are a choice, and it's bullshit if you pretend otherwise. [/quote]

What about invading a country?  Is that a choice, or is it automatic?[/quote]

LOL why don't you ask W Bush? Or your best friends the Al-Sauds and Al-Maktoums?  They'd know.   I mean ask Colin Powell, he's here in McLean. Should be an interesting convo.[/quote]

Putin should have studied the Iraq War. I'm sure he's marveling how the Americans kept their vehicles gassed up all the way to Baghdad, while his gas station country had to ditch and start hitchhiking halfway to Kyiv. [/quote]

I'm sure he had a good laugh at the scrupulously planned, meticulously executed conclusion of yet another invasion that had people dangling from airplane chassis.  All these weapons, all these billions, all these dead...and the same guys with the same beards are still running Kabul.  [/quote]

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