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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Re: Baldoni's career, I find him to be creepy and a jerk but in the context of Hollywood, I don't think what he did was *that* terrible.

The irony though is HE is the one who built his persona around this feminism crap. He's the one who said he would be man enough to listen to women when they call him out, but instead he gets huffy when they don't want to hug, or jokes "I must have missed the HR training" when he's told they don't want to be called sexy, and opens up with incredibly weird comments about consent in his personal sex life. That's 100% on him. He was the one who made that important. Wayfarer is the one that marketed itself as having a higher calling, making movies for the greater good... and then you have Baldoni and Heath running around like asses (which multiple people confirm) and Sarowitz saying he wants to destroy people, as Israel did to Hamas. Baldoni wanting to use DV as the marketing plan to make himself look good, even discussing lifting "survivor content" from his DMs. This is all a problem they created, they are hypocrites, and it came out. It's not unlike the argument that Lively has always been a bully and difficult and it just came out, "organically."

I don't see what is sympathetic about the Wayfarer guys, they don't practice what they preach, and they are the ones who promoted themselves as being better than everybody else. I would not be surprised at all to hear Directors making comments about actresses being sexy (and much, much worse) or Hollywood financiers comparing themself to Israel against Hamas... but they marketed themselves as not being the typical Hollywood studio. They obviously believed that this stuff about Baldoni and Heath coming out would hurt their reputation (IMO, it's why they hired Wallace) because they chose to build their reputation on this higher calling. It's what makes them so distasteful to me.[/quote]

Oh please. They were making a crappy Colleen Hoover book into a movie. If you believed they’re trying to answer to a higher calling through moviemaking that’s on you. Everything I know everybody in this industry is total BS and branding.

I just don’t think anything he did on that side went against feminism. Give me a break. It’s a Hollywood set and all these people are terrible.[/quote]

I didn't believe anything about them before the case. Never heard of them except for Baldoni being in Jane the Virgin. Hearing he was a "male feminist" immediately made me suspicious.[/quote]

That’s fine, but it’s troubling that you think this amount of bullying and power-play was deserved by anyone. so he claims he was a feminist and it out he’s not that much of a feminist. Though it’s interesting that Liz Plank who has made her whole platform being a feminist was fooled by it for three years and 124 podcast episodes wouldn’t you say? He must’ve had something to say for her to work with him like that.

Either way, he didn’t deserve to have his life destroyed and people calling him a predator. Ryan texting influential people in the industry that he should be in jail? Blake lying about what happened on set.

I just don’t get how anyone can justify this. He may not be a good guy, but it really seems like harassment and defamation on Blake and Ryan’s part. [/quote]

Look, did he tell an actress he wanted her to do a birth seen nude because "it's not normal" for women to wear clothes during childbirth, or not? Without advance warning or involving the intimacy coordinator. We still don't actually have the answer to these questions. Yes, we know she wound up wearing some clothes (though as a woman I would argue that if you thought a scene was going to be filmed above the waist and clothed, finding out at the last minute you would be wearing a modesty garment and filmed below the waist with the intention of making you appear nude below the waist on screen would not be an exciting reveal at the last minute -- Blake should have had a heads up about that and should have had a nudity rider in place, IMO, if you want to be totally on the up-and-up with something like this) but we still haven't seen the testimony from Blake, Justin, or Jamey about what happened that day. And we know the IC wasn't there.

I'm sorry but until I get more information on that, I am not going to feel sorry for this guy. Also, if that incident went down as Blake describes (and again, Justin has not responded to the allegation that he pressured her to be nude or that he said those things to her), I personally don't have a problem with Ryan calling Justin names like "predator" to other people in the industry. In fact I wish more people would speak out against that kind of behavior on sets and I would comment Ryan for sticking up for his wife.

We truly do not know. People act like they have every piece of information they need to make a decision here, and there are lawyers and PR people on both sides working hard to convince us all of that because they are trying to force a favorable settlement for their client. But we dont' actually know. I personally would like to hear testimony on the birth scene and a few of the other allegations and I'm tired of being told "Blake lied" when we don't actually know that to be the case and we actually have not heard Baldoni et al even deny some of these allegations.[/quote]

She had a nudity rider. It was very clear, what she was willing to do and not do. Also, it was a PG-13 movie. No one else ever gonna get blake full frontal. It’s ridiculous that we’re even debating that.

Also, she wasn’t pregnant. They were filming her giving birth. How do you think nudity would’ve worked?[/quote]

She did not have a signed nudity rider before the birth scene was filmed. There were no nudity or intimate scenes scheduled during the first part of filming so there had been no effort to get it signed. The IC testified that nudity riders are not uncommonly negotiated right up to when the applicable scenes are filmed and can even be signed on set the day of the scene, so this wasn't unusual EXCEPT that then they were pushing for nudity in the birth scene even though they had not flagged it as a scene with nudity and had no nudity rider in place. Blake alleges that she pushed back on that pressure but says they used what I personally consider to be inappropriate means to pressure her, including Justin telling her that "it's not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during childbirth (this is blatantly untrue and also a weird shaming effort to get a mother of four to do nudity in your film when you didn't negotiate it ahead of time). Justin has yet to fully address that allegation (or if it was discussed in his deposition, that has not been unredacted yet).

The IC also testified that what appeared on screen in the birth scene could be considered "high hip line" nudity where the actor appears nude below the waist and is wearing a special garment (not regular underwear) in order to create the illusion of nudity onscreen. This is a scenario that would be covered by a nudity rider for many actors. But again, there was not one in place. And according to Blake's complaint, she only agreed to this level of exposure because of the pressure exerted to get the scene shot that day. This is exactly why actors are supposed to be given warning before filming nude scenes -- to avoid a scenario where an actor feels like they have to do previously undisclosed nudity or intimacy in order to keep filming on track, without being given a chance to negotiate the circumstances under which it happens.

I know I'm going to get yelled at for writing too much on this topic and to be honest I don't know why I bother because the pro-baldoni people on this thread either do not understand the actual allegation regarding this scene or refuse to understand it. But this has not been addressed in the evidence we currently have. Was Blake pressured to be nude in this scene, without advanced warning and without an IC or nudity rider in place? How exactly did the negotiation over what she was wearing in the scene occur? This matters.

No one is talking about "full frontal" nudity, it's not even at issue in this case or this movie so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Actors should not be pressured to do unscripted nudity, and using gendered and shaming language to try and convince an actress to do onscreen nudity is totally out of bound IMO. I'd like to actually hear/see the evidence regarding that allegation before I draw conclusions about this case.[/quote]

She should’ve signed the rider, and laid out clearly what she could and cannot do. Blake has a problem with not signing contracts and things. She has a huge team and she had complete power on this set as reflected in her PGA letter so not really buying any of this.

If there was an issue with one of the scenes, she should’ve led with that and not led with five other lies that were blatantly shown to be lies to the public via video. She lost all credibility.

NGA just did a great video about how it is clear from the way this legal case has unfolded that they never expected it to get this far. They thought that they were going to file, Baldoni was going to cave, and it would be the end of the story.

They gambled wrong and they’re paying for it. [/quote]

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