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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]CNN just said that Charlie will be published next week and instead of 60,000 copies printed, there will be one million. I find some of the cartoons questionable but I would gladly purchase a copy if I could.[/quote] And Yasir Qadhi couldn't have said it better: "Can you imagine if a racist cartoon, or an anti-Semitic cartoon, caused some physical attack, that news agencies around the globe would reprint those cartoons?! Somehow, when it comes to offensive images against Muslims, it becomes necessary to display those images continuously in order to make a point: "You had better allow us to say and do whatever we will, without the least care and concern of decency and morals!"[b] Again, this is NOT to justify these brutal attacks, but it is to point out the double standards that do seem to exist when it comes to mocking Islam. It will come as absolutely no surprise to us to find out that a satirist in the EXACT SAME newspaper was fired, and then put on trial, for an anti-Semitic article that he had written (See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-tria…). And previously, I had quoted a story of a similar nature regarding the Danish cartoon controversy: the same newspaper had refused to print cartoons mocking the Holocaust.[/b] There is no doubt that killing these cartoonists is not allowed (firstly, the entire issue of blasphemy laws and its application in the modern world of nation-states is being discussed by leading scholars, and there are multiple views on this; secondly, all those who quote incidents from the Seerah: I reiterate, it is impermissible for a person to take the 'law' into his own hands and be judge, jury and executioner even in an Islamic land - how much more so when Muslim minorities are living in a land that is not ruled by their laws). At the same time, it is also idiotic to continue provoking a group of people who have a long list of their own internal and external political and social grievances that stretch back for many decades (here I mean the N. African Muslim population of France), and then expect that nothing will happen. As usual, we are stuck between a rock and a hard stone. On the one hand, we have the excesses of our own internal angry followers, who always justify every violence because of what 'they' have done, and on the other hand we have the arrogance, intransigence and hypocrisy of segments of the Western world, who cannot see that they as well have a huge part to play in the rising tide of anger and violence."[/quote] Not a fan of that article. You/he are talking out of both sides of your/his mouth. Let's see. Freedom of speech should allow me to wear a burka, but it's arrogant, intransigent, and hypocritical to use your freedom of speech to publish cartoons that are offensive to me. Violence is wrong, but you're as responsible for the violence as the attackers because, uh, you used free speech in a way that's offensive to me, and this diminishes accountability for the violence. Not a fan of the New Yorker article, either. Coming up next.[/quote] I am not. I cited the niqab ban to show the hypocrisy of the freedom of speech discourse. If Muslims are expected to accept the danish cartoons in the name of Freedom, then they should be allowed to dress as they pleased in the name of that same freedom. Nowhere in what was posted was it ever said that Violence was right or should be expected because of published cartoons or personal grievances of Muslims[/quote] PP again. To be very clear about your freedom of speech double standard, you have argued that 1. Women should be allowed to wear burkas freely, but 2. The cartoonists should have shown restraint. Just to re-emphasize, others here have not accepted that the niqab ban is purely a freedom of speech issue, instead they have brought up issues such as a society preserving its own values (like KSA does) and protecting women from having the burka imposed on them (despite your you tube video, the jury is still out on what percent of women chooses the niwab vs. has it imposed. I could bring any number of ex-Muslim feminsists to counter your Yourtube video, except that I think such anecdotes are pointless.) Your double standard about violence goes as follows: 1. Violence is wrong, of course, but 2. The journalists should have responded to threats of violence by publishing nicer cartoons, that is, they were "idiots" to not simply cave into threats of violence and thus partly culpable.[/quote]
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