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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine.  Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. .  Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start?   You don't think having a "leader" would help your community?  I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case.  But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first?  Like I said, racism is real.  But how is the community helping themselves?    Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community?  Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community.  Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.[/quote]

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking. [/quote]

Then we need this cleared up.  I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together.  Do we address this supposed need or not?  b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community?  I've never been slapped for using it.  I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues.  I thought that was a little over the top.  But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful.  They shape our views.  So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.  [/quote]

When blacks use "community", it's more related to our race/ethnicity. It is difficult to explain, but it is different and does not suggest a monolithic way of defining black people.

re: education. I'm not an educator. But I will say this: Who are the decision makers when it comes to our educational system? What race are they? Do they have the best interest of minorities at heart?  Our students are as good as our teachers and many of them who teach minority kids don't give a damn. They play DOWN to what they think the students will know/be able to grasp and the low expectations result in students left behind.

You're been slapped for saying black sheep? I find that very hard to believe, unless your comment surrounded that word was especially outrageous.

BTW, don't be "all eyes" regarding what I say. I'm one black person. Why would you imagine that I would have ALL of the answers about black people? Do you profess to be an expert on all things white?[/quote]

I'm confused.

If you can't explain the connotation around "community," then how can anyone else understand it?  Furthermore, you claim you're only one voice, yet you speak for the "community" in your first line.   You can't have it both ways.

I have never claimed to be the expert on "white."  In fact, I grew up with a them/us mentality, as my parents were immigrants.  But I am white, yes, and am here asking for clarification, which I clearly can't get from one poster.  I am learning that I have to do my own study to examine the multiple definitions of community b/c individual posters will have different views.

So . . . there is NO such thing as "black community."  Or . . . is there?  
confused . . .

In terms of education, I can tell you that schools are still segregated.  What was once a majority white school 20 years ago is not majority Hispanic and black. Many schools in my system are changing, and these schools are low performing.  I don't have an answer.  We're trained in equity and cultural diversity, but I've yet to see equitable practices widely used. I've seen fantastic colleagues leave for high performing schools b/c they were burned out.

So I wish I had the magic answer; I don't.  Talk to our presidents - particularly our current one who thinks so highly of Arne Duncan, who was never an educator, by the way. They seem to think that Race to the Top is the key to closing the gap.  What we find our educators so worn down from data collecting that there's no energy left to teach - or more importantly, connect with the kids.

black sheep - nothing offensive around that
I didn't follow "tradition," and was labeled the black sheep in my family.  It was all in fun.[/quote]

I addressed it earlier. Community is more about ethnicity/nationality than anything else. It can also refer to blacks living in a particular area. Or blacks in a particular socioeconomic status. Depends on the context. IME, when whites use it, it's as a blanket statement about ALL blacks and usually involves a criticism.

From your post, I gather you're in education? Given the nature of your post and your obvious disdain for black people, I wouldn't imagine that the problem in education is: educators like you.[/quote]

You can think what you like.

I'm perfectly comfortable in my skin - and with asking questions.  If you find my questions offensive, then you have the problem.

But God forbid someone white should ask a difficult question!  Then it's all about being a racist.

You don't use a band aid to cover a boil.  You lance it. It's not pretty.  It's not neat.  It's not comfortable.  But it gets to the root of the problem.

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