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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We fully vaccinate on time and my mom and dad are both doctors - I trust the medical establishment an awful lot, considering! I'm a lawyer, so I can't claim the family medical degree, but I absolutely am not anti-medicine. And we do not circumcise. And, please, lady above, get this through your head. I am not obsessed with your child's genitalia in any way.

You want to marginalize people who speak their minds about circumcision to be crazy, anti-medicine, or perverts, and you want to dumb down the issue to what's in your kid's diaper vs. minding one's own business. It's not so simple. If you've circumcised, fine. If you are thinking about it, I'd encourage you not to do it. It will hurt your baby and don't kid yourself otherwise, the medical benefits are extremely flimsy, and the cultural / religious aspect means nothing to me.

I believe it's harmful to kids, and that's why I care. It has nothing to do with caring about how your kids genitalia looks. It makes you feel better to think of it like it's as unreasonable as someone caring about how you comb your kids hair. Not so. We believe it's harmful, and that's why we care.

Some people upthread have said there will never be a ban on it. Honestly, that bums me out. I wish there would be. I can tell you that insurance companies will not pay for it for much longer. That's a step in the right direction. If you want to cut off part of your child's penis, you should have to pay for that yourself. My premiums shouldn't reflect cosmetic surgery on infant penises.   [/quote]

Nice how you completely write off the religious aspect. It doesn't matter that you personally think it is harmful. It is not and despite your feelings, there is some medical value to it. You just do not feel it is enough. Thankfully, your feelings do not matter. To me, my husband (who is a doctor), our religion or our insurance company. [/quote]

Yes, I do write off the religious aspect, in much the same way I believe that other religions should not be allowed to withhold medical care for their children because of religious conflict, and the same way I would say that I don't get to kill my child because my god commands it, I believe that you don't get to cut off one of his body parts because your god demands it. I believe that you may not force your daughter to become one of six wives because your religion requires it. I don't believe you may require your daughter to have a ritual nick to her clitoral hood because your religion requires it. Religion should not be used as an indiscriminate shield or justification for harming children. Again, it boils down to you believing it is harmless and me believing it is harmful. i't isn't that i don't like or respect your religion, I just draw the line at you using it to further a practice i consider barbaric.

And yes, honey, I do get to have an opinion, and the reason you have your knickers in a twist is that you know my feelings DO matter. Many, many like-minded men and women are moving to change things. Some say there will never be a ban, but some of us are working towards that end. And the pro-circ crowd knows it, and they're scared, and that's why there is so much intense pressure on the medical community to come up with supposed medical benefits when everyone knows that they don't apply to western cultures, are hugely overshadowed by other, more effective measures. We don't chop off breasts prophylactically, unless you have reason to know you have a genetic predisposition to having breast cancer and you make that choice for yourself as an adult. Now, let's say that the Roman Catholics felt that breasts of women should be cut off as soon as they began to develop. You could still make the convincing argument that doing so would greatly reduce instances of mastitis or breast cancer or what have you, but others might say "hey, your child should make that choice for herself!" Or, transfer the "breast" issue to adenoids, tonsils, or gallbladders if your concern is that breasts are arguably more useful than a foreskin . The point is, we don't concern ourselves with prophylactically removing any other body part, INCLUDING a mere mole, unless there is something about it that leads us to think retaining it is likely to be problematic.

The Johns Hopkins research that has been badly distorted by those quoting has in fact been disputed by numerous other credible studies and, um, reality (none of those predicted dire consequences have come to fruition in Europe).

So save it. I don't care if you worship a toaster orbiting your back yard, you don't get to just do anything you want to a child (including your own) and pretend that your god demands it, so everyone else should shut up and butt out. [/quote]

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