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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked.  We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

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If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.[/quote]

Bingo.

I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED.  If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different  [/quote]

Apples to apples, you say?  Do you always just make sh*t up?

1.  There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin.  Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin.  Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE?  Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2.  There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons.  However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim.  Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI.  In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI.  So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade.  However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4.  Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of  DCI students are below grade level in math.  And math doesn't require English fluency.
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What is this crazy word salad?  DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax. [/quote]

+1.  I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error.  That data was for Walls.  But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin.  The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED.  Just because some have  time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid.  Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out.  I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.[/quote]

DCI boosters never give up.  Just keep making excuses!

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+1.  Seems to be a cult.[/quote]

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster.  Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data.  I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.

Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar.  Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE.  You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all.  This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.[/quote]

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here. [/quote]

Not defensive, just facts above.  Thread was started by someone saying no one picks Latin over DCI.  Then someone said they did and all these posters, many with no kids at DCI did not believe it.  Then it went from there with people comparing schools.

It’s not like some DCI poster out of the blue that said hey I chose DCI over Latin.  It was a response to a statement that was incorrect.  Not defensive at all but actually correcting wrong assumptions and incorrect statements.  [/quote]

That’s fine but the posts about the actual topic of this post (DCI versus Walls) seemed defensive. I doubt OP cares about the random Latin posts or the suburban school comparisons. [/quote]

I don’t understand why this thread is full of Latin either. I would never choose that school for my kids. It’s totally the opposite of immersion, which we went through to get to dci. I’m not giving up my kids’ hard work learning another language to go to Latin. I’m sure it’s a good school, and I know some kids at our immersion who just couldn’t learn Spanish and love Latin (and are thriving!). The craziness out there- you’re fighting with yourself lady. [/quote]

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