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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries.  The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc.  What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in?  Where would the cutoff be?  People who have bloodlines as of 2024?  Or were you thinking of something else?[/quote]

The US has over 345 million people and is the 3rd largest nation on Earth.  We do not need more and have plenty of bloodlines to draw from.  Ending birthright citizenship would apply going forward. It wouldn't impact current citizens at all.

We should impose common sense reform like simply requiring one parent be a citizen for a child to obtain citizenship.  This is exactly what so many other countries do.  It closes huge security holes that could be exploited too.  [/quote]

Yes we do need more. The only reason our population is not declining is because we have strong immigration. Without our immigration we'd be struggling with the same demographic issues countries in Asia are dealing with because they are so strict about immigration.

I don't disagree with your last point though. I think that's a totally fair requirement. [/quote]

No we would not be struggling more or suffering like whatever Asian countries you think are actually suffering right now.
Dont make that up.

Unskilled, illiterate, uneducated Illegal immigrants are net negative. They are not some magic growth engine because they can do manual labor like dishes washing or cutting blades of grass. Those cash pay contractor jobs aren’t driving GDP.   Maybe if they manage to become skilled home builders but even those are being replaced by mini factories that do walls, etc [/quote]

Agree with all of this.

Also the Asian countries may have a population problem but you know what they also don’t have?  Crime, trash in their streets, broken communities, lack of national identity, a welfare state.

It’s a fair trade. 
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There’s also zero enabling of illiterate people with Dial 1 for Spanish and multiple sheets of instructions. No CASA de Maryland in China or Canada either

Japan has visa rules (tourist, student, work, cultural, temp worker) and it enforces them. Unlike USA.

Same as China, Germany, Uk, etc.  [/quote]
It's about size and location.

People aren't trying to immigrate to China en masse.   Germany, UK, ... countries are small, but they do still have illegal immigrants.

The US is huge, and shares a border with Mexico, which shares a border with Guatemala.  It's easier for the poor to cross the US border because of location. Plus, the US is a melting pot of many different races and languages, so it's also much easier to blend in.

Non Asians would not be able to blend into society in Asian countries.  But, it's much easier to do that here, and even the UK, which is why the UK has issues with illegal immigrants.  Also, in the UK, you can get hospital services without a national ID.  I know because DC went to urgent care while in the UK, and they don't have a national ID.  BTW, the visit was free, and we didn't have to wait but like 10min.

When Poles, Germans, Norwegians, Swedes, first immigrated to the US, they didn't speak the language.  While the younger generation absolutely assimilated, the older generation found it harder. That is the same today.

More than likely, your ancestors found it difficult to assimilate, and many barely spoke any English in their lifetime.  It's just much harder for older people, especially those without an education, to the learn a new language.  I think people romanticize what immigration and immigrants were like 100 years ago. You should visit Ellis Island. Very informative of how there were so many non English speaking immigrants, and some who lied to get in.[/quote]

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