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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow. I am the PP who didn’t have the stats. 
I guess my gut feeling and cursory review of some data was right. That’s a huge increase in students applying to application schools over time. [/quote]

It is obviously an increase but it’s hard to say if it is a huge one.  We can’t know if those are all discrete students or overlap.[/quote]

Obviously a lot of overlap between the schools, but by following a single school’s numbers over time you can see an obvious increase in absolute application numbers.  That doesn’t tell you whether the number of “good” applicants is increasing, but PP pointed to some other data (eg the NMSF).

So there are more applicants, plus more and more of the applicants are highly qualified students. [/quote]

You don’t know that more and more of the applicants are highly qualified.  [/quote]

Out of curiosity, why would you make the assumption that with more applicants fewer are in fact highly qualified?  It just seems like a weird hill to die on.  And an illogical assumption.[/quote]

DP.

Because the admissions requirements change every year and have altered dramatically over the past 5 years or so, because the admissions standards don’t weed out less qualified applicants, because there is more grade inflation, etc.  As a result, it is easier for less qualified applicants to get in.  Hence, more applicants but relatively fewer higher-quality admits.[/quote]

I think the effect of dropping the exam is counteracted by the rising number of qualified students in DC.

Think about it: both TJ and Walls dropped their exam the same year. This year is the first senior class admitted without exams. The number of NMSFs at TJ went down, from like 150 to 80. But the number of NMSFs at Walls actually went up, from 5 to 6. Of course the number of NMSFs in DC went up by even more, from 28 to 47. This means that without the exam Walls isn’t capturing as high a portion of the high-scoring kids in DC, but the quality of the student body is not declining. [/quote]

You are grasping for straws.

-The admissions standards at TJ are totally different than Walls.  Even without an admissions exam, TJ's criteria at least have a semblance of sense.  Not so with Walls.

-NMSFs went down generally in VA so that affected TJ.  TJ still had far more NMSFs than any other school in VA--and is still one of the top public schools in the US.  Plus, TJ has a court case to deal with, arguing that they were discriminating against Asian-Americans.

-Using NMSF as a standard for general admissions quality is just dumb.  For example, NMSFs at GDS were 700% higher than last year.  Is this senior class at GDS 700% better than last year's senior class?  Of course not.  And as you admit the number of NMSFs in DC this year is way up from the last few years.

-Every school has some top students from year to year.  That doesn't mean that the school as a whole is admitting the best students and doesn't mean that the quality of the student body is not declining.  And as a data point, going from 5 to 6 NMSF is meaningless, especially given that the general numbers of NMSF in DC increased significantly.[/quote]

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