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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]On the other hand, there might be lots of less advantaged kids who are more likely to find solutions to future problems because they are better at original thinking because they haven’t had everything handed to them by parents who are financially well off and/or focused on education.

I was the kid who was a NMF from a less advantaged family, so I know that kids like that need more support from the schools than kids who get plenty of support at home. As a society, it would be too bad to lose out on all that those kids can do in the future. 
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I don't doubt that less advantaged kids can achieve a lot.
I was not wealthy growing up, if you want to argue about who grew up poorer, we can have that debate but I think I met the threshold for growing up poor.  
My family was on government assistance from time to time.
I know what government cheese, government peanut butter and government canned meat taste like.
I can tell you the denomination of a food stamp by its color.
But I also think that poor kids can meet objective measures of academic merit as well as anyone else.

There are three selective high schools in NYC whose alumni have won a ton of math and science prizes including 15 nobel prizes, a handful of wolf, field, abel, prizes in math, and a bunch of others.  
These schools range from 40% to 60% free/reduced lunch.  
Admissions to these schools is based on a single test.  
The SHSAT is more or less the same test that TJHSST used until recently.  
In this day and age of test prep, the population at these schools are significantly poorer than TJ and even more asian.

We know how to give preferences for poverty while preserving merit but we didn't do that at TJ because that was not the purpose of the change.  
The purpose of the change was to reduce the asian population and increase the population of kids of other skin colors.
If we tried to preserve preferences for poverty while preserving merit, we would have seen an even larger concentration of asians as poor asians take a disproportionate number of spots meant for poor kids.[/quote]

Are you sure about that? I thought the change was to address the rampant test buying and allow those who can't afford that a level playing field.[/quote]
That was never stated by any school board official that I’m aware of. [/quote]

It was in the 4th circuit opinion to the c4tj lawsuit.[/quote]
No it wasn’t.[/quote]

I'm on your side but the appellate opinion states:  
"Nevertheless, in the 2021
application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically
underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income
Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

I think this is probably the result of the fact that if you have a quota for every school, a very large percentage of those from poor schools are going to be asian.

Honestly, I think a place like TJ should only care about academic ability and not about how hard it was for individual students to achieve that academic ability because being poor or or being hispanic isn't going to make the curriculum easier for you and unless they also change academic standards for you within TJ based on your income or skin color, the differences in academic ability are going to start to be apparent.

We have seen SOLs drop significantly.
We have seen PSATs drop by over 100 points.
We have seen grades drop precipitously with the math department sending out an email saying that this was the worst performance they have ever seen.
This year we will see SAT scores and then college admissions and it will become apparent that we have replaced a hierarchy of merit with a hierarchy of perceived oppression.

We are replacing the hierarchy of merit with the hierarchy of perceived oppression.
This is bad for society and civilization.[/quote]
The claim was the admissions were changed because of test buying. That’s just not true. Not even a little bit was mentioned by the SB.[/quote]

The problem was that people gamed admissions so that only students from the most affluent schools had a fair shot. There are some posters try to cover this inconvenient fact up.[/quote]

Mostly because you're lying to cover up the fact that this change was driven by racism against asians.
Your comments about indians are pretty gross and racist.[/quote]

Your claim doesn't add up when you consider the facts.

1) The largest demographic cohort at TJ is still Asian by a considerable margin.
2) The selection process is still race-blind, and it's a matter of law.
3) The data shows the most significant beneficiaries of the admission change was low-income Asian families.[/quote]

Asian cohort went from 75% to roughly their share of the applicant pool (50% of the applicants were asian and 55% of the admitted students were asian)
The selection process is race blind but the process was changed from a merit based process to the current method in order to achieve racial balance.
There was a significant increase in poor asian kids.  This was an inevitable result of selecting for poverty, culture makes an even greater difference at the low end of the ses scale.  If they could have figured out a race neutral way to replace those 50 poor asian kids with 50 middle class black/hispanic kids, they would have.[/quote]

Asian kids continue to have a higher acceptance rate than other groups.

[b]The data also shows that Asian students were accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups[/b], aside from Hispanic students.

Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

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But DISCRIMINATION!!! :roll:  The changes to admission got students from schools other than the wealthy feeders apply because they'd now have a shot.[/quote]

It's not the identity of the students that should matter.
It's the ability, the merit that should matter.
Poor kids are not incapable of outperforming wealthier kids.
Stuyvesant high school in NYC is 40% free/reduced lunch[/quote]

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