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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm interested in this topic because I will be at WDW a few days after this May 20 change. And I'm wondering what impact there will be so soon after. I'm not sure I understand what's happening. Will it only affect people trying to register for DAS after that date? Presumably other visitors will have already applied using the only rules. Will this lead to a massive increase in demand for Genie+ and will it be harder to purchase the day of and will it be even harder to book any LL? If it's going to be hard to access and use not sure if it's worth it to buy in advance.[/quote]

That's my question too. Disney is deciding that the system is broken from their perspective, which they can do as long as the parks are ADA-compliant. The current DAS program goes well beyond what is required under the ADA, and people with a wide range of disabilities appreciated that Disney granted them accommodations and have come to expect to be approved for DAS. As a business decision, Disney is scaling back the circumstances under which DAS can be granted, and it will have an impact on those who were outright cheating the system, those who exaggerated their actual conditions, and those who legitimately struggle to access the parks due to a disability. Again, it's a business decision for Disney as long the are not in violation of the ADA. The ADA requires a reasonable accommodation, and regardless of the actual number of DAS holders using LLs, the current system arguably provides a better experience for disabled guests than is available for non-disabled guests, which suggests that the current system may not be reasonable for Disney, whether that is because it creates longer LL lines, standby lines, or hurts their bottom line because fewer people purchase Genie +.

As others have noted, those who are faking conditions or exaggerating to get DAS are the most likely to be heavy users of the LL because they are more likely to spend full days at the parks and be able to cover the most ground.  Realistically, many, if not most people who were approved for DAS with actual disabilities that interfere with their ability to stand in long lines aren't the ones who are there from rope drop to close, cris-crossing the park repeatedly to ride as many rides as possible. The hostility exhibited toward those who have used DAS in the past or who plan to in the future seems based on an understanding that everyone asking for DAS is doing it to gain an advantage over non-DAS users without any regard to the challenges their disabilities pose.

But back to your question, from a guest perspective, the anti-DAS people are also assuming that reducing the number of people being granted DAS and reducing the size of their parties will have a positive impact on their experience. The changes should reduce the number of DAS guests in the LLs, with fewer being granted DAS and their party size more limited. However, if Disney's intention or the result of the change is to force more people purchase Genie +, the changes could actually make Genie + an even worse value, with more guests trying to select rides and few popular attractions available at desirable times. I guess part of the answer depends on the extent to which Disney plans for DAS users in LLs by limiting the capacity for Genie + purchasers. IF half the people who formerly used DAS now buy Genie + and another chunk of the population are now in the standby lines (perhaps those who exaggerated conditions and are able to wait in long lines), how is that going to improve the guest experience for everyone else?

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There is certainly a lot of imagination at work in this post!

PP who asked about the changes-I recommend that you go to the DISBOARDS and read in the disABILITIES section. The mods there have actual facts about the changes.[/quote]

I'm only curious about the changes such that they will alter my own plans, as a non DAS user. Should I get Genie+ or not? Will it be overwhelmed making it impossible to use enough to get the value? Will there be any impact to wait times? My trip is a few days after May 20. I was planning to get Genie+ but now I'm not sure.[/quote]

Yes get Genie+[/quote]

OP we used DAS recently and also paid for Genie +. I read some disability forums and anecdotally a lot of other people with DAS also pay for Genie +. So since a lot of DAS users were already paying for Genie +, that won’t really cause any change.

I think the DAS users least likely to buy Genie + are the annual pass holders (maybe some who are the type to stretch the truth to make the most of their pass). If they didn’t want to pay for Genie + before I’m not sure if they’ll suddenly change and start paying for it or if their Disney attendance will just decline instead. (My guess is the latter because who wants to pay $25-40/day per person when you were getting yourself and family on DAS for free)?

Obviously this is just speculation. But bottom line, the only people who will potentially change the Genie + use pattern are the DAS users who were previously not buying Genie + and now no longer qualify for DAS. Since they are going to be upset with the change, I have a hard time believing they’re going to switch over to Genie + en masse. [/quote]

What is the point of doing both?[/quote]

Because you have almost no control over the Genie + return times. When we went, I was getting return times of 6, 7 PM and later, which was too late for us to manage. So I bought Genie + for the less popular rides that I could get a decent return time and then used DAS in lieu of waiting in the long standby line for the more popular rides. [/quote]

Got it. So it's about getting more rides in with less wait. No wonder Disney is cracking down.[/quote]

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