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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Clueless Russian, after having invaded, oppressed, suppressed and repeatedly genocided Chechens for the last 250 years:

"Gee, I just don't get why these Chechens are so angry.  They're just bad people, that's all."[/quote]

They are bad to each other, too.

For instance, it wasn't Russians who made Chechens give custody exclusively to fathers in case of divorce, and bar access to mothers.  It wasn't Russians who taught Chechens the blood vendetta.  It wasn't Russians who taught Chechens that women who marry out must be excommunicated or killed.  It wasn't Russians who taught Chechens that a dead son is preferred to a gay son.  That's self taught. [/quote]

Even if it were all true, Russians could have just left them alone.

And Russians can be homophobic too, and plenty of Russian men beat their wives, are alcoholics, gangsters and thugs. At least Chechens don’t drink. The difference is one group wants to impose their way of life and political influence over others. The other just wanted to be left alone.[/quote]

What do you mean? It IS all true.

The world saw what happened in Chechnya when it was kinda sorta left alone.  It was not pretty.  There is no viable path to independence for them, and no one wants a salafi funded failed state next door. So, no.   I find it curious that you think any part of Russia that wants to be "left alone" needs to immediately be set free, but god forbid a part of Azerbaijan wants to be independent, or a part of Ukraine, too.  Then you all are like, "territorial integrity!"   That's apparently only for some countries and not for others.  Good to know! Just like civil rights.[/quote]

You are really trying to tell me that the “separatist” republics in Eastern Ukraine are actual freedom fighters that want self governance and Russia is just backing the little guy? Haha. Why is Russia trying to annex them?

Like you really think we believe that in 2008 Russia suddenly cared for the liberation of the Abkhaz people? And South Ossetia, a “country”with the same population as Silver Spring, Maryland? Give me a BREAK. Why do they all have Russian passports now?
What other conclusion can we draw other than Russia wanting to rebuild an empire?

But the damn Chechens in the early 90s just got too uppity.

I’m as critical of US foreign policy (and domestic policy, for that matter) as the next person. I myself lean left. One thing holds true though. People for various reasons WANT to come to America and become Americans. Whereas people become Russians (россияне) by force and violence. [/quote]

DP.
I don’t think anyone here is arguing that Russia is kind and democratic and wants the best for their neighbors. 
What I am saying (as well as the PP I think) is that the US is not much better and only cares for its own interests. Pot meet kettle [/quote]

DP.  You're a sick person.  I think there's still a massive difference between the US and Russia.

"Up to 300 mercenaries from the Wagner Group (a private military company - ed.) have been hospitalised in Yuvileine’s multidisciplinary hospital No.15.  Doctors are refusing to treat them because many of the fighters are suffering from HIV/AIDS, syphilis, tuberculosis and pneumonia."
https://news.yahoo.com/doctors-luhansk-oblast-village-refuse-045956270.html

"Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61071243

"Castration, gang-rape, forced nudity: How Russia’s soldiers terrorise Ukraine with sexual violence"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/how-russian-soldiers-terrorise-ukraine-sexual-violence/

"Rape "happening systematically" in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine,"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-rape-allegations-russian-occupied-areas/

"in conflict zones only one in every 10 to 20 rapes are reported."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-mission-to-help-russias-rape-victims-in-the-ukraine-war

But its not just Ukrainians suffering.  Now Russia is turning on itself.  Russia is turning on its own future generations.  Don't believe it?  Here you go.

"Russia has quietly dropped a rule exempting fathers of three of more children from mobilisation"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11663177/Russia-quietly-drops-rule-exempting-fathers-three-children-mobilisation.html

You do understand what this means, right?

Imagine you're a family of five.  Your wife, like a good Russian gal, did her patriotic duty and just gave birth to her new child.  Daddy comes home, she's looking for a break from a long day taking care of the kids and boom - he announces he's been called up.

You know how Russia is - you're Russian, right?  Is she going to get a lot help from Russian social services for daycare?  Money for the formula?  Maybe in Moscow or St Petersburg, if she lives in the right neighborhoods she might, but anywhere else?

No, I think Russia has sealed it's own fate, one way or another; if not war then by birthrate.  I think the constant wars Russia starts are also why it's birthrate is less than two, it's emigration of young people is in the tens to hundreds of thousands annually, and why the Russian Army will get smaller and smaller every year.  There is no great reunification of the Russian peoples as Putin hoped for; just older and older faces in the streets of dying cities.  And you can't run a massive sized country with a shrinking population.

At the rate Russian draftees are fleeing the country, fathers of three or more are drafted and Russian males are being killed, I would imagine we'll see Russian birthrate drop by at least a few hundred thousand in the next few years; and the Russian population potentially shrinking by a third.  I think this is why the Russian government is also homophobic and Putin wants to "unite" all Russians.  Want proof?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1038013/crude-birth-rate-russia-1840-2020/
See the birthrate drop?

https://theodora.com/wfbcurrent/russia/russia_people.html
See the big dip in young men here?  Ages 15 - 20?  Right now, all productivity, innovation, factories, etc. in Russia is being driven by the 30 to 54 crowd.  As those spikes move up towards the top of the graph in age, the spikes below are only about 2/3rds in height.  That means that Russia's population would need to increase it's birthrate significantly from the current 1.5 to 3.0 to catch up.

But I also think Putin won't get that chance.  I think Russias borders will slowly be absorbed by it's neighbors seeking more leg room as Russia shrinks.  This is the reason why I think the crazy Russian oligarchs are pushing for nukes.  The nutcases want to tip the scales to achieve their "golden billion".  But to do that, they would have to nuke everyone in the World; including China, Africa, South America, Middle East..  but that won't go the way they think.  They don't realize just how interconnected Russia still is to the rest of the planet; and yes, Cesium from Russia's own salted nukes will travel in the atmosphere to reach even the most remote regions of Russian territory, bringing misery by causing birth defects and deaths.

So you still think Russia is better?  If so, you're just as crazy.[/quote]

When did I say Russia was better? I am only saying that the well being of Ukrainians or anyone really is the least of the US’s concerns. It is the same for each and every country in the world. Some of them are better controlled by their own citizens (and yes the US Is a denocracy) so they keep their actions in better check. if i were a small country of course i would serve the US. but it doesnt mean the US has my best interests at heart. its just a better boss but its still a boss, a class enemy so to speak :)[/quote]

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