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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'd like it to be 2 days too.  Maybe Thanksgiving Thursday stays, and day after, Friday, is a Native American day of remembrance.  [/quote]

I’d like this. I’d like it even more if we could do celebrate with something other than a shopping frenzy.  [/quote]

Why do you hate America[/quote]

NP. I hate genocide.

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Tell that to the Aztecs.   They slaughtered thousands of other Native-American tribes in Mexico long before any Europeans arrived.[/quote]

So did the Comanches.

There’s a reason some Indians fought with the new settlers: they hated the other tribes.

You know the saying: the enemy of my enemy…

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Ok. The Comanche Nation can decide how to address violence it committed against other tribes.

And the US government can determine how to address violence it committed against all tribes. 
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The government has already given them tax free land where the US has no jurisdiction (can’t make arrests or enforce laws, can’t repossess cars they default on, etc). The government also gave them gaming rights/casinos which more than support some tribes.

The end result of their arguably privileged status isn’t great (rampant alcoholism and family violence/sexual abuse/murder-“disappearance.”

They got what freed slaves never got. Hard to say who fared better. Their self-imposed segregation gave them land, money and autonomy, but they were also largely forgotten on the east coast and elsewhere. Plus all the bad stuff that happens on their land due to their set up. [/quote]
how is being rounded up from their homeland at gunpoint and marched a thousand miles during winter to a reservation, during which time 40 percent of their members died, a "self imposed segregation" [/quote]

What does that have to do with Thanksgiving?[/quote]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/dining/thanksgiving-native-americans.html
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Can't get past the paywall. But to say this is a day of mourning for Native Americans makes perfect sense. But to say it's a national day of mourning does not. Don't kid yourself everything would have been just fine if Europeans hadn't made it here -- or that everything was just fine before they got here, for that matter. Didn't native Americans regularly go to war with each other? Because that's what humans do. And if the settlers had never arrived, some mentally ill Native American would have killed their way into power and slaughtered the competition, made slaves out of survivors from other tribes, killed off all the buffalo that were the source of food for others, etc. Because that's what human beings do. Human history is a sh/tshow, a parade of brutality punctuated by peace. Native Americans are no different than anyone else.

Thanksgiving is a celebration of an occasion where Native Americans welcomed the early Europeans, and we ate together at a meal. Why can't we celebrate the good in that?[/quote]

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