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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This whole thread is baffling.

Atheist pp clearly opposes homophobia, as do I.

So why has she been banging on for 10 pages about how Christians should be following ALL of Leviticus? Her complaint seems to be that Christians (although it’s actually a minority) selectively pick up Levitical rules about homosexuality and ignore the dietary laws. But if she (like me) is against homophobia, then why not side with the argument that Christians don’t need to follow Leviticus at all, because of the universal interpretations (excepting those two fundie preachers with 500 congregants max and some Jews for Jesus groups) of Matthew and Mark, plus the fact that Jesus said that loving God, your neighbor and your enemy were the basis of all law?

It would seem that trying to show Christians are hypocrites is more important to atheist pp than accepting the universal Christian interpretation (pace those two bible literalist southern pastors with 500 congregants max and some Jews for Jesus groups) that Levitical dietary rules don’t apply. [/quote]

I haven’t said that Christians “should” do anything but stop being homophobic. Christians can do whatever they like as long as it doesn’t require hate. I am saying Jesus never made all meat kosher. My interlocutor has said that Mark, where Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for criticizing his followers for not washing their hands before eating bread somehow means that all meat is kosher. One might as well ask why isn’t circumcision a rule for Christians anymore?  Did Jesus say that circumcision was no longer necessary?[/quote]

You keep insisting that Jesus didn’t mean “whatever goes into your mouth is clean” because “whatever” doesn’t actually mean “whatever,” it only means bread and unclean hands and some fringy argument that Mark and Matthew were addressing Jews only (they weren’t). And you keep insisting that Jesus, a skilled rhetorician, didn’t mean “nothing is unclean” because “nothing” doesn’t mean “nothing” for similar reasons. And you keep ignoring that Jesus singled out two commandments, about loving God and your neighbor, to which he added loving your enemy, as the only ones that matter.

It’s hard to understand why you, a non-Christian, cling to these extreme fringe interpretations and insist all Christians should keep kosher. Whatever, think what you want and Christendom will ignore you.

Paul got rid of circumcision. [/quote]

Yes, Paul said circumcision was no longer necessary. He was going to say anything he needed to say to get more converts. He said this over the objection of Peter, head of the church, and James, which led to their bitter confrontation in Galatians. I’m not sure what gave Paul the authority to eliminate circumcision.

[b]I have never said all Christians should keep kosher. [/b]All I want Christians to do is to stop hating. Stop hating homosexuals, stop hating Jews. Whether or not Christians keep kosher is a matter of complete indifference to me. I’m simply saying that Jesus condemning the Pharisees for criticizing the disciples for not washing their hands before eating bread does not make all meat kosher. But if Christians, or Jews for that matter, don’t want to keep kosher that’s fine with me. As I’ve said a hundred times, I believe men wrote these rules, not God. [/quote]

You actually did, when you called out supposed Christian “hypocrisy” about picking out the anti-homosexuality rules. I’m tired of you rewriting what you said. [/quote]

That’s because cherry picking from Leviticus is hypocritical. Not obeying most of Leviticus but clinging to Leviticus 18:22 is hypocritical. I wish Christians would just say Leviticus is NOT God’s law. As I have said over and over again, Christians should relegate Leviticus to the trash bin of history and stop using it to justify homophobia. [/quote]

Catholics and the majority of Protestant Christians already do, for many reasons including Jesus’ statements about dietary laws in Mark and Matthew (which weirdly you continue to deny). You need to dial back your outrage. [/quote]

It’s sad to hear Christians say that I must dial back my outrage about Christians who cling to homophobia.[/quote]

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