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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Honestly, grow up.[/b] You've been try to shout down everybody who disagrees with you for ten pages now.

Arguably, the SAT does test content, [b]what should be easy math and reading content for college-bound high school juniors and senior[/b]s.  Many SAT takers need to go back to review algebra and geometry they took two, three even for years earlier to ensure that they can score high.  SAT reading is pitched at around an 8th grade level.

Yet one Banneker booster after another comes here to holler that the test is racist, superfluous, outmoded, ossified and on its way out.  What's the goal?  To let DCPS off the hook in failing to prepare the Banneker students to ace what should be an eminently manageable test for the cream of the DCPS HS crop, at least where AA and Latino students are concerned.  Frankly, BASIS' scores for AA kids put Banneker to shame.[/quote]

The data is clear that:

- The SAT is most effective at predicting parental income.
- The SAT does a worse job than high school grades at predicting student success in college.
- There are clear changes that could be made to the SAT that would reduce the racial and SES gaps by making the test harder, changes that the college board as resisted.  In fact, the trend for the past couple of decades has been to make the test easier in ways that objectively increase the SES and racial gap.

Also, it's absolutely clear that the SAT was developed expressly for the purpose of offering a veneer of science to support 1920s white supremacy.

You seem unwilling to confront any of those clearly demonstrated facts, instead claiming that the SAT is "easy" and "at an 8th grade level" ---  seemingly unaware that the US average SAT score is 1051, and that this national number is artificially high when compared to DMV-area schools because the test if administered for free during school hours, so far more kids take it than in other areas of the country (where only college-bound kids take it, and they pay to take the test).

I get that FOR YOUR KIDS the SAT is easy.  Me too.  I was a national merit scholar, took the test only once and never studied at all.  But competent policymaking is not about making policy based on my individual experience or yours.  It's about looking at data to understand what's actually going on in the world and making policy accordingly.  Denying obvious issues with the SAT (which are amply supported by data) and taking refuge in anecdotes about your individual experience doesn't help anyone.

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So you claim.  Please provide peer-reviewed cites for all your claims.[/quote]

[b]The SAT is most effective at predicting parental income.[/b]
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797612438732

[b]The SAT does a worse job than high school grades at predicting student success in college.[/b]  
Correlation coefficient of grades: .53. Of SAT: .51.  Not peer reviewed, but this is the College Board's own data.
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/national-sat-validity-study-overview-admissions-enrollment-leaders.pdf

[b]There are clear changes that could be made to the SAT that would reduce the racial and SES gaps by making the test harder[/b], changes that the college board as resisted.  In fact, the trend for the past couple of decades has been to make the test easier in ways that objectively increase the SES and racial gap.
https://www.hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-73-issue-1/herarticle/a-method-for-reestimating-sat-scores_23

And a followup directly addressing ETS claims about Freedles work
https://www.hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-80-issue-1/herarticle/the-case-of-freedle,-the-sat,-and-the-standardizat

And Carl Bingham's history and the purpose behind is work on testing is widely known, but if you need a primer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Brigham

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[b]Unfortunately, the articles you cite contradict your claims or just suggest that there should be more research.  Please stop spreading false information.[/b]

1) The Psychological Science article you cite:

“In all the data sets, the SAT showed incremental validity over secondary school grades in predicting subsequent academic performance, and this incremental relationship was not substantially affected by controlling for SES.”

2) The College Board study you cite:

“• [b]The   SAT  is   strongly   predictive   of   college   success;   students   with   higher   SAT  scores   are   more likely   to   have   higher   grades   in   college. [/b]

• Using   the   SAT  in   conjunction   with   high  school   GPA   (HSGPA)  is   the   most   powerful  way   to predict   future  academic  performance.

• The   SAT  is   useful   beyond   admissions;   data   show   that   SAT  scores   are   important   predictors of   student   retention  to  the  second  year.

• Colleges   can   use   SAT   scores   to   identify   students   who   may   need   academic   support   before they  start college  and  throughout their college  education.”

3) The Harvard Education Review article you cite:
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“By replicating Freedle’s methodology with a more recent SAT dataset and by addressing some of the technical criticisms from ETS, Santelices and Wilson confirm that SAT items do function differently for the African American and White subgroups in the verbal test and argue that the testing industry has an obligation to study this phenomenon.”[/b]

4) A Wikipedia entry about Carl Brigham (not Bingham, in case you need a reminder on his actual name) that you cite notes that in 1930 he recanted his original 1923 work:

By 1930, Brigham “realized that the SAT test scores do not measure innate ability passed through genes, but are instead a 'composite including schooling, family background, familiarity with English, and everything else relevant and irrelevant'."

The SAT test in 2021 has nothing to do with what was created in 1926--that was almost 100 years ago.

Plus, no one says the SAT is perfect.  Good for the College Board to keep tweaking the SAT to make it a more useful tool for admissions.
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Banneker's SAT math average math score is LOWER than its verbal score.  Santelices and Wilson "confirm that SAT items do function differently for the African American and White subgroups in the VERBAL TEST."  OK, I get that, so what's DCPS' excuse for Banneker's hopeless average SAT math score?  How can poster after poster come here claiming that the school is "excellent" when most of the students still test in the 400s on SAT math?  Where's the racial bias in the math questions?[/quote]

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