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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Grad student who currently attends Michigan and is very familiar with the undergraduate population.  I understand the appeal of HYP but there is no way Columbia, Cornell, or Brown have better teaching than Michigan or Cal.  Truly splitting hairs as both these state schools have some of the best departments and teachers in the country.

But I will admit that Ivy League on a resume helps for a variety of reasons.[/quote]

[b]Sorry, but the idea that Michigan is better than any of those schools is unthinkable[/b].  Nice try, though.[/quote]

Not saying they are.  My point is that with all the resources Michigan has, I doubt those three schools have an advantage.[/quote]

Keep in mind that a top ten grad department is totally different from a top undergrad department. I went to a grad program similar to Michigan - top ten in my field.  The undergrads definitely did not benefit from the things that made the department great.  They were taught by adjuncts and older faculty who were no longer cutting edge researchers.  Some of those men were excellent teachers (adjuncts were too sometimes, and even women!) but they were NOT in any way responsible for the school's reputation.  At my ivy alma mater -- one of those you criticize, we rarely had TAs. We were taught often by tenured and tenure-track professors.

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