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I'm not with you on immigration:
1. Immigrants work at jobs most Americans don't want to do.
2. The immense majority are hard-working and grateful to be here.
3. We also have to do our share on the international stage - many small countries have taken in many more immigrants.

I'm not trying to change your mind, OP. But this is the way I see it. All I hope is that you won't vote for Trump, who is by any measure a disgusting windbag.[/quote]

I agree with your points about immigrants. I agree they are hard-working. My anti-immigration stance would hurt them, and I do feel bad about that.

But I still think it damages our country and it is is short-sighted, because we are left with this permanent underclass that is going nowhere.[/quote]

Again I'm not trying to persuade you otherwise, but what I have witnessed (and what the data shows, BTW) is the opposite - immigrants are much more upwardly mobile, economically speaking, than low-income Americans burdened with generations of poverty. It's easy to understand: immigrants come here with the dream of a better life, and they sacrifice their earnings to educate their children so that the second generation is lifted out of poverty. The 2nd or 3rd generation is generally upper-middle class (lawyers, doctors, etc). Their drive and motivation makes the difference. 
Poor communities of white or black Americans, whether in inner cities or Appalachia, sometimes lack that essential drive because they have not experienced any other life elsewhere and their families have been ground into apathy for years. It's not their fault either. That is the underclass that has existed in America for decades and I agree with you that we should give them more opportunities.

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Maybe you're right. But I feel like politicians have completely given up on those communities. Is it really better that they become completely dependent on welfare? Maybe if we did not have cheap labor via illegal immigrants, businesses would be forced to actually offer a living wage to American citizens.[/quote]

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