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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hope the ACA gets shut down. My premiums have been continuously rising to pay for all the subsidized people that are using it. Meanwhile I went for a yearly physical exam and my premiums have more than doubled in the past year. Thankfully this was my last month using a plan on the exchange.[/quote]

It's a good thing we have the ACA or your premiums would be even higher [/quote]

For some people (the sick, those not paying federal taxes) that may be true. For most, including the healthy and the taxpayers, nope -- the actual cost for them is now higher.[/quote]
This is true, but then, if you are saying that we shouldn't help pay for the sick and the not poor enough for medicare people, then are you saying to them "too bad for you.. you're just sol"?

Let's play this out:  a middle income person who can't afford good healthcare (since ACA is no longer available) get sick. Now this person either goes on medicare or ends up in the ER and can't pay.  Who ends up paying?  The taxpayer.

Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill. I'd rather have people healthier, able to go see the dr. fore preventative care, and be contributing members of society.[/quote]

The argument that the taxpayer pays for the non payers, or even other premium payers, was, and still is, bogus. FYI, the total before ACA was about 3% of the total health care spending. 3% is nothing and easily absorbed when you consider the amount of money spent and the fact the majority of it was in hospitals.

So far I have as yet seen the total of premium tax credits paid and haven't seen a total for government subsidized benefits for those who qualify.

And that middle income example you gave, no Medicare for them. The might qualify for Medicaid though.[/quote]
Middle income people don't qualify for Medicaid! Don't you know that Medicaid is for POOR people, not middle income people? Your income needs to be below $16k or. $18k  (or around there). I'm talking about MODERATE earners - ones who earn too much to have other people subsidize their plans) but not so much that they can afford expensive premiums with high deductibles.

And OF COURSE other taxpayers are indirectly paying for the people getting free or nearly free insurance via their more expensive plans that don't pay for anything. All Obamacare did was shift the burden around.[/quote]

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