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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because this is how it works:
The liberal socialist mindset is quite easy to see, it's called divide and conquer, pit one group against the other to further their cause and they will use race or wealth or anything else for that purpose to advance their agenda. Today, the black community is in total chaos from drug dependency, out of wedlock births, drive-bys and gang violence. Poverty and unemployment is through the roof and liberals know it is destructive and they have no intention of changing it, in fact they want to make it worse. Why would anybody support a party that gleefully supports such disastrous policies of self destruction? 25% of young black men are either in prison or awaiting sentencing and the number one cause of death for young black men is another young black male. Does this sound like progress to you? Of course it does, the Democrat Party has 98% of the black vote and that is all that matters. [/quote]

I have never been able to understand the incredible loyalty to a party that has had provided so little in return to a block of voters. The willingness to blindly follow and continue to support is beyond me.[/quote]

I totally agree with you. The poor whites are never given anything by the GOP but yet they vote for them against their self interest because the GOP provides religion,dog whistles of racism and the contentment that as poor as they are, they are better off than blacks.[/quote]

And liberals like yourself heap scorn on these same people. [/quote]

The scorn is reserved for the racists and racists only. If someone is poor(black or white or whatever), then the poor need to be helped. Democratic policies support the poor more than gop policy of TAX cuts to the rich. Tell me one policy that the GOP has that supports the middle class and the poor? Drumpf supporters will say Wall is a policy. It is sad. [/quote]
True, a lot of people start life off with all sorts of disadvantages (no father in the house....uneducated parents....etc.), and they do need some help. But many people never escape from poverty, even with all sorts of social service programs. It's 50 years since LBJ's Great Society, and we are no further ahead now than we were then (in terms of poverty statistics.)

I'd like to see some liberals acknowledge that personal responsibility and motivation are factors, too. My father was born to immigrant parents who did not finish high school, and raised in cheap apartments - sometimes sharing a bathroom with other tenants. But he studied hard, aced his college entrance exam, and was admitted to a competitive tuition-free college. After that, he wanted a grad degree, so he got a job with the university he wanted to attend, and then went evenings for five years until he got his Master's. He and Mom waited until age 30 to have me because they wanted a secure financial footing before bring kids into the world. My parents were upper-middle class by their 40s.

My point is....yes, poor people do need help. But they also need to make responsible decisions. It's the COMBINATION that lifts one out of poverty. Will liberals agree?[/quote]

I am a conservative and I totally agree.  
I would add that those in poverty need a great education.  They need to be in schools with teachers who care about their achievement and know how to reach them.  They also need to be in schools where academics is a top priority.  And, it would be great if children in poverty had a choice as to which school they went to.  
I say all this as a teacher who taught mostly students in poverty.  [/quote]

You are ignoring the biggest issue that is decreasing upward mobility. Republicans need to understand that trickle down doesn't go all the way down to the people left out by the globalization and mechanization.

The republican congress should stop playing politics(stop anything from democrats) and change the wrong ideology(trickle downomics) and be a responsible and governing opposition. The top 1% really gets away with too much wealth and they need to pay more and not necessarily by higher tax rate BUT by removing deductions. The infrastructure is fraying and rebuilding the infrastructure will provide jobs to those in need. Then there has to be a smart policy to deal with machines taking away jobs, maybe a guaranteed basic income for providing society some service(environmental cleanup, infrastructure development etc).  
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But can you acknowledge that some responsibility for upward mobility lies with the person?  That it's a combination of poverty-fighting policies AND responsible decisions? I acknowledge that my father gained from the tuition-free college, and the 1% don't need a tax cut, but at the same time, can you give him credit for studying hard and doing well on his college entrance exam, being clever enough to pick the employer who provided tuition reimbursement, waited to have kids, that type of thing? That all the social programs in the world won't help if the beneficiary doesn't do his part, too?

If not you, any liberals reading this who can admit there's got to be some personal responsibility, too?[/quote]

Please show me a liberal who says individuals are not responsible for their own life. Yes many make bad choices and suffer their life and sometimes their kids life in poverty. Yes some escape the poverty that's totally not their fault. Yes personal responsibility is important. No sane person denies that.

But if you have only a high school diploma and all you can do is manual labor, then the knowledge economy is not for you. You belong to the 60s economy when manufacturing was king. But machines have taken over and some of the poorly educated can not catch up anymore. What do you do with them? The world has moved them by. Do you tell them to be responsible and go get a degree in their 40s with kids and not enough money for family, let alone new education that most likely they can't complete. Do you let them be on the fringe? They were left on the fringe by the GOP by promising trickle down that never reached them and by promising god who doesn't seem to care. So they finally thought they are voting for the one billionaire who seem to care about them. But they are going to be even more frustrated when they finally realize they have been conned by the Don.[/quote]

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