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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So...whenever religious people talk amongst ourselves about stuff like this, I have literally never heard anyone put down atheists or even reference atheists at all.. Not even, "at least I'll feel smug that I wasn't an atheist!" No religious person talks like that, unless they are a cartoon on TV or an actual fanatic. Most people who are believers (and also not fanatic Christian evangelists, which most of us aren't) are happy to just let atheists do their thing and never bring it up.

So when atheists are doing the offhand-condescension move, like, "well I wish I could be dumb enough to believe in god, what a pity I'm not dumb," with the obvious implication that anyone who differs in opinion is dumb, I [i]kinda[/i] lose respect for you guys. And I don't see a big difference between you and the evangelists. Just saying.[/quote]

+1000

I also note the almost militant, detached tone that agnostics here and in other posts take, a deliberate separation from themselves and God, as though they have to really work to keep Him out of their lives. What they don't (yet) understand is the way that God comes to us, lives in us and changes us, through the Holy Spirit. It's not something you constantly have to work at or try to believe, which is what they imply here[/quote]

Actually, I'm agnostic and that's precisely what I think. I think most people who believe in God don't have to work constantly at it, but I do, which is an indication that I'm unlikely to ever believe. It's your belief that I am somehow working hard not to believe that is dismissive. The point that some atheists are trying to make to you, perhaps inappropriately couched in language about intelligence, is that there is an actual difference in how easy it is for us to internalize something that feels fundamentally irrational. At the exact same time you are claiming we don't understand that it is easy for you, you are denying that it could be hard for us, and being offensively dismissive by suggesting we need to aggressively keep God out to continue to non-believe.[/quote]

People who know God through Jesus Christ are literally transformed by the Holy Spirit. That does not mean that doubt does not occasionally present itself. But Christ literally transforms us. If we let Him.[/quote]

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