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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Stanford. Her average peer at Stanford will be overwhelmingly of higher academic caliber than her average peer at UMBC. Also, the resources at Stanford are simply in a different league altogether--the two schools aren't even in a comparable cohort of schools.

-Professor at research u.[/quote]

Another prof here.
Unless you or your daughter are somehow concerned she couldn't cut it at stanford, it's worth it.  She'd be exposed to a completely different, really special peer group at Stanford that would be her network starting out and later on.    And the standards she be held to would be really extreme.

I have had many PhD students, and honestly my experience is that [b]middle of the road students from places like Stanford often outpace the 4.0 students from places like UMBC. [/b] I don't think it's because the stanford students are necessarily more gifted, but that they learned something good at these places.

I agree that it's not a guaranteed ticket to greatness, and UMBC is in no way a ticket to something other than greatness.  But you're definitely tilting the odds in making this choice.  At least from the perspective of a researcher.  Iv'e worked in industry too and I think the needs are a little bit more different.  But if you daughter wants to be a biology major (did I read that?)  then she wants to do research (or medicine, which will be similar).  Stanford will be worth it.
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Yet research shows the exact opposite. A top student at UMD outpaces a middle student from an Ivy.

Funny how 1 persons perception is so inaccurate, I suspect that is why eyewitness accounts are so inaccurate.[/quote]

Not all UMD's are the same.  UMBC is very different than College Park.

For medicine, I care where my doctors go to school.  If I had a choice between Stanford and UMBC, I'd choose the Stanford doctor.  In many professions, it doesn't matter where you go to school but for medicine it does.[/quote]

I would take a self confident UMBC doctor to a self defeated Stanford doctor any day of the week.  Truthfully I don't choose a doctor by where they attended school but where they practice, how much research they have published and personal recommendations... When it matters... Meaning not for a cold but for cancer.

[b]I was just pointing out your point has been disproven in research.[/b]... And at the time of the research umCP was ranked about the same as UMBC is today.

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I don't know that that is true.  No one has broken down where you went to college vs. success in x profession, just lifetime earnings.  Being a successful PhD student is not related to long term earnings.[/quote]

The measurement was by published articles. Also they follow drop out rates from programs. A top student at UMD is more successful than everybody in IVY minus the top 5 percent because of perceived success... aka confidence is shaken when a top student falls to the middle. It's how ivys justify athletes, they don't mind being on the bottom/middle. No self confidence problem there.[/quote]

Links? Your description makes it really hard to understand what is meant by "success".[/quote]

I can't find the scholarly article right now and I don't even know if it is available with out access to a research library.

So here is the dumbed down version... watch 5:00-11:00.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UEwbRWFZVc

BTW, I disagree with going to UMD in this scenario... I think with this knowledge you can coach your kid's self confidence and be an outlier (pun intended) and break this pattern. But the research still disproves your theory that "middle of the road students from places like Stanford often outpace the 4.0 students from places like UMBC." [/quote]

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