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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well the point is, violence in text exists. If people of a certain faith adhere to their religious texts, doesn't that mean they take their religion more seriously? Some may twist the interpretation and misunderstand  but lets not pretend any one faith is all hug and forgiveness all the time.[/quote]

Point out the violence in the gospels (well, apart from the crucifixion). TIA[/quote]

the slaughter of the innocents - in an attempt to make sure the King of the Jews was murdered shortly after being born. All those newborns killed, but Jesus spared, so he could grow up to be killed anyhow, according to his own Father's plan,  but not before spreading the Gospel.[/quote]

That's not germane. We're talking about whether a prophet preaches violence. Jesus message was 180 degrees from that. We all know the world is a terrible place, and Jesus' message is actually about ending war and the slaughter of innocents.[/quote]

I come not in peace but with a sword.  Matthew, 10:34[/quote]

Go buy a dictionary and look up the word "metaphor."[/quote]

How can you tell when something in the Bible is a metaphor or is real.   If this is a metaphor, then the resurrection could be a mteaphor too - or the vigirn birth.  In fact a lot of good Christians believe that.[/quote]
The Bible explicitly states that the resurrection is not a metaphor.[b] 1 John 4 says that anyone who denies the physical resurrection of Christ is of the spirit of Antichrist. It's pretty easy to read things stated in such a way as meant to be literal.[/b] But Jesus spoke in metaphors and parables all the time. In the Gospels, Peter cuts off a man's ear, and Christ tells Him to put the sword away. The message of not bringing peace but a sword is that there are those who will reject Christ as being God, and those will war against those who do. Also, Christ will judge mankind for its sins in the Second Coming. His first coming was to save the world; His second coming is to judge it. All this is there to be known for those who truly want to understand it.[/quote]

1 John 4 could be a metaphor too.  It's pretty easy for different people to interpret things however they want, once it's "OK" to call some things literal and some things metaphorical.   There are devout Christians and church leaders who believe that the resurrection is metaphorical or that it "doesn't matter" if Christ literally rose fom the dead -- he is still our Lord and Savior.[/quote]

No the PP you're replying to but I think I've seen you make this claim before that the "rose from the dead" idea can be a metaphor in some sects of Christianity.  Can you point out specific Christian ideologies, sects, "...devout Christians and church leaders" who actually believe that?  I ask because I haven't run into any.  From where I sit, [b]the idea that a guy actually did literally did rise from the dead is a cornerstone of Christian thought.[/b]  Otherwise, Jesus just starts to look like another apocalyptic "prophet" running around modern day Israel 2000 years ago.

I think you're trying to resolve the cognitive dissonance between religion and reality.[/quote]

I'd say it WAS a cornerstone, and  still can be, but some people in some denominations do not see belief in a literal resurrection as necessary to be a follower of Jesus.  It's his teachings that count -- not the magic he supposedly performed.[/quote]
But He taught that He would rise from the dead, and after He did so, He taught that He did. His teaching is that you need to believe in Him or die in your sins, because He is the eternally existing God.[/quote]

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