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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I found this online - like a PP said it was a few years after he died, like 60-ish later:

The Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, writing in the 80s or early 90s C.E., indicated that both Jewish leaders and the Roman prefect played roles in the crucifixion of Jesus:

About the same time there lived Jesus, a wise man for he was a performer of marvelous feats and a teacher of such men who received the truth with pleasure.  He attracted many Jews and many Greeks. [b] He was called the Christ.[/b]   Pilate sentenced him to die on the cross, having been urged to do so by the noblest of our citizens; but those who loved him at the first did not give up their affection for him.  And the tribe of the Christians, who are named after him, have not disappeared to this day.[/quote]

Don't forget this longer quote, which included an embellished passage (bolded) which  was thought to be a forgery to puff up Jesus as son of God.

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man[b], if indeed one ought to call him a man.  For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had  first come to love him did not cease.  He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him.[/b]  And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm

Yes, they may have been a1 century guy named Jesus and yes, he may have thought of himself as the messiah, but there is no first century evidence that he was, and there is lots of evidence that The Catholic church, as founded by Constantine in 325, made him one.

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