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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is random. Have you been oppressed by socialism your whole life, OP? Do you feel like it's affecting you here in the US?[/quote]
Not OP, but my younger years have been stunted by the grim reality of socialism (hard-core, not some Swedish model Americans like to idealize). It is not affecting me in the U.S., but I fear it may affect the next generation. It would be incredibly unfortunate.[/quote]

I suspect by "hardcore socialism" you mean communism. They are very, very different things
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No, I mean actual Marxist socialism. Communism has not been built yet. It is what socialists aspire to, but nobody has achieved that level of enlightenment though. [/quote]

-perhaps because "that level of enlightenment" is a ridiculous and impossible fantasy, as history has proven repeatedly?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the PP wrote about "that level of enlightenment" in a tongue-in-cheek manner.  Pull that stick out of your rear.

Pure Communism - as envisioned by Marx and Engels - requires men to be enlightened angels. Not gonna happen. That said, that doesn't mean we need to embrace the most heartless and orgiastic aspects of capitalism either. [/quote]

No, we don't. Capitalism may not be that grand, but it keeps things moving in the right direction and eventually lifts people out of the worst of poverty. Socialism is a race to the bottom, as evidenced by more than one examples.

Americans often perceive capitalism as inherently unfair, while socialism is portrayed as a more equitable system. As someone who experienced it firsthand, I beg to differ. The reality is far from what Bernie Sanders aspires to. Because no matter the political system, social interactions are still determined by human nature. When it's artificially controlled, the results can be really twisted and sick. There are books written about this, so I'm not going to try to explain this in just a few lines. It is difficult to understand without seeing it with your own eyes.[/quote]

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