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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Should be able  to enjoy activities, if they observe exisiting social mores. If you act loud and obnoxious - then no.[/quote]

The problem is that:

A) "Social mores" in this context is synonymous with "White social mores" and

B) Other people on the train at the same time claim the women were no louder than any other group[/quote]

There isn't a problem with white social mores. I don't go into black baptist churches and expect them to praise as they do a a quiet white Presbyterian. When in Rome dude.

Maybe they were loud and annoying - maybe they weren't. Not worth speculating about.[/quote]

Possibly the most racist thing I have read on DCUM and that is saying something[/quote]Yes, it sounds like that one poster thinks that black people should only act "black" when they're off with their own but the rest of the time they should make sure that all us fragile white anglo-saxon protestants are not made to feel uncomfortable.[/quote] it is rude to be loud and obnoxious in a public setting no matter what the color of the skin of the individuals involved.  It sound like you are the one with a racial issue.[/quote]There was a difference of opinion as to whether they were rude or obnoxious.  There are people who were on the train who said they weren't.  So unless I see video, I'm not going to say for sure how I would feel if I had been on that train.  Second, why do "quiet white Presbyterians" get to choose the tone for the wine train?  Are "black baptists" only welcome in public if they act like "quiet white Presbyterians"?  And "when in Rome" suggests that you think that the "quite white Presbyterians" ought to control how everyone else behaves on the wine train.  [/quote]

How fucking stupid are you? It's an analogy. Presbyterians don't specifically relate to the wine train. You must have blown your SAT's... 
I have never been on said train, but it's Napa... So, anyone equating this to  a" booze cruise" probably hasn't visited this area. You don't get to come into someone else's home and dictate customs. You don't go to Japan and leave your shoes on. Well, maybe some Americans do and that's why we aren't always a welcome sight in some places. You don't get to go sit in the quiet car of the train and make ruckus. It has nothing to do with race. 
And no- I wouldn't wander into a boisterous baptist congregation ( white or black) and expect them to pipe down so I could quietly pray. Their house. Their rules. Why is that so hard to grasp?
Now, whether these women actually behaved in a way that should have gotten them kicked off the train.... who knows?

[/quote]Did well on my SATs thank you. :-). My point is that black baptist churches are seen culturally as the oddity while  the behavior in white Anglo-Saxon churches is seen as the norm. I think it's important to ask why WASP behavioral norms are expected to be the standard for public places. Your analogy suggests that you think the train is "their house" (as in white Protestants' house) and therefore "their rules" should govern behavior and too bad for anyone who doesn't share the same culture. At least that's how your analogy comes across. Maybe you don't intend it to be interpreted that way but insulting my intelligence (which I find amusing) doesn't help convince me of your point. [/quote]

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