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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I teach HL IB English at an International School; I also teach AP English.  AP English is significantly more intense, difficult, and content-dense.  In the International School world in Europe, students and parents believe (no matter how I explain otherwise) that IB is "better" and "harder", and this is disastrous for the students who take AP English believing it is easier.  Plus, students who love literature really miss out by taking IB English rather than AP.

The Math teachers at our school who teach both IB and AP also agree that AP is more rigorous.

IB is the Emperor's new clothes of education, and the philosophical component sounds great, but is largely worthless and is executed at the expense of subject matter content, in my opinion.  My own son did the AP Diploma; I strongly discouraged him from doing IB.  I am a bit sad to see some very intelligent kids who love literature in my HL IB classes this year, as opposed to my AP class, because I know they would get so much more out of AP.

IB was developed for the International School world and that is where I am teaching; I don't even see how it is fully implemented/applicable to schools in America.  And yet, even in overseas International Schools, I think AP is vastly superior.  
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Thank you for sharing your perspective (assuming this was not just a cut-and-paste  of the teacher's comment from another website).  This is very consistent with what we see and public schools in Northern Virginia, where IB is of primary interest to white parents who like it because it is has "international" in the title. Meanwhile, the Asian parents who pay the most attention to the education of their children gravitate towards the AP schools.[/quote]

I assure you that it isn't a cut-and-paste of anything.  I'm very frustrated this week about the attitude of the students at my school toward the AP program.  If Jeff wants to confirm that I'm posting from Europe, that's fine with me.  [/quote]

Can you elaborate on this AP Diploma that your son did? Is it the AP Capstone program, or something else? First I hear of an AP Diploma.[/quote]

My son did the AP International Diploma (APID).  He also took a handful of IB classes "a la carte", and he had originally intended to go to university in DH's country.  However, we recently sent him off to the US on a full merit scholarship.  I don't regret steering him toward the AP program.  Again, I teach both AP English and HL IB English, so I know exactly what each program is like.  When sophomores ask me for advice about AP vs. IB, I advise high achieving students who love literature to choose AP English over IB.  I think IB English is fine for students who don't particularly care for literature, but who are hard workers.  At our International School in Europe, I advise strong students who are non-native speakers of English to go for the IB rather than AP.  I am appalled that top American students in the US are being advised to do IB rather than AP, but as I wrote earlier, IB is really the Emperor's new clothes of the education world.  It was designed for International Schools, and is great for non-native speakers of English in that setting, but I don't think it can "work" in the US.

Here's more information about the APID: http://international.collegeboard.org/programs/apid.  [/quote]

The link in my last post won't work with the period on the end of it.  Here's the working link for information about the AP International Diploma: http://international.collegeboard.org/programs/apid[/quote]

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