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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am (marginally) Catholic.  I find it hard to believe that the whole world just appeared from nothing, and that no intelligence was necessary to create it.  I converted as an adult but have of late become a spiritual recidivist, backsliding into the agnosticism of my youth and early 20's as I cope with secondary infertility and a child with fairly severe ADHD.  I HATE when people say "God has a plan for you."  To my ears, it sounds like predeterminism and I firmly do not believe in that.  That has never been my conception of God.  When people to say this to me, I think they are nuts.  That kind of talk sounds like God decided to make me infertile and give me a child with special needs, while the drug addicts and child abusers in my area seem capable of procreating like rabbits based on all of the ads entreating people to foster this growing population of kids.  If God is really that involved in our lives, determining what will happen to each of us and when, why the hell would he do this?  It defies the intelligence and logic that I believe are a necessary component of creating a world like ours.

So I guess my question is, WHY do people believe in this "God has a plan" stuff?  What are they trying to convey when they say it?  IME, Catholics will say things like "look to God for strength and guidance," but not "God has a plan."  [b]However these days neither camp is working for me.  Lately I'm more of the opinion that God exists but is a pure intelligence - a force of biological creation - that is indifferent to the fate of mankind.[/b]

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If God exists, I don't think God is indifferent. I also don't think God sees our hurt and pain in the same way. When a two year old fall down and skins his knee, it feels like the end of the world to him. It's over-whelming to him. To the parent, it is less serious. A parent knows that the skinned knee hurts, but also knows that it is not serious. A parent is willing to console, but isn't going to worry too much about a skinned knee. I think that a lot of the pain that we experience in the material world. We are very over-whelmed by many things, but God knows that those things are transitory or not important. [/quote]

Nice rationalization -- and here's another one -- God will eventually reveal his plan to us -- after we die -- as long as we've accepted his son, Jesus Christ, as our savior.[/quote]

Well, I don't think we always have to wait until after we die to understand God or His role in our lives. But yes, in order to spend eternity with Him, we must accept and follow Jesus Christ as our savior. He is the only One who can take us to God.[/quote]

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