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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]LOL way to make everything about you. [b]Actually, as Muslims, we don't believe our religion is superior [/b]and we see Christians and Jews as our brothers and sisters on a different path. As a Muslim, any time I see old versions of the Quran it just amazes me that over all this time, it hasn't changed and that we are reading the same book that our ancestors read. That to me is amazing. It doesn't have anything to do with Christians or the Bible or Hindus or anyone else. Sorry to take the attention away from you :'([/quote] A key tenet of Islam is that the Jews and Christians got it wrong, so God sent Mohammed to set everybody straight. You're definitely not speaking for all Muslims, or even most Muslims, or even many Muslims at all. In any case, the age of a piece of paper/papyrus/stone proves nothing about the presence, or lack thereof, of divine inspiration behind the document.[/quote] PP at the top, I have to ask: why did you post something that you know to be untrue? Lots of us know that Muslims believe that Jews and Christians got it wrong. It only takes one person to call you out on this. I suspect you were involved in last year's crazy threads that were precipitated by claims about fantasy conversion rates to Islam, equal treatment of women, and so on, and I also suspect that you don't want a repeat of being called out by people on this stuff.[/quote] There's a big difference between theological differences and feeling "superior" as someone was claiming. I can respect theological differences without feeling superior than someone who isn't of the same faith as me. [/quote] The jizhya tax on other Abrahamic faiths has historically been a demonstration of their inferior status (although today it's often spun as a way to get out of fighting). I'll let someone else answer about the Buddhists, Hindus and so on. I doubt top PP will answer this, however.[/quote] Hindus, Buddhists, etc were not given the 'decency' of jizhya tax, they were (and in some places still even today) forced to convert or die. [/quote] Historically, how were they treated under Christian rulers? I'm sure they weren't persecuted at all![/quote] Obviously, yes they were also persecuted by Christian rulers, however there is a major significant understanding you're omitting. It was not commanded by the Christian religious text to convert or kill. It was done but not theologically commanded. Huge difference. In addition, Christians did not separate their treatment from those that followed non-Abrahamic religions or those that practiced Abrahamic religions. Their stance did not 'de-humanize' those that were not of an Abrahamic faith. Also, this convert or kill theology is still being practiced today, right now in 2015 under the religious umbrella of Islam. [/quote] And here we go on the merry-go-round again. Haven't these points been made before and all this discussed to death? Even the jizhya tax was thoroughly explained as a tax to DEFEND non-Muslims living under Muslim rule, should the community be under tax. Only Muslims were compelled to fight in war, not non-Muslims. As such, non-Muslims were protected by Muslims and the tax was compensation. Google this yourself rather than opening up another mind numbing debate. The commandment to kill was only in times of war and in self defense. After all, Muslims in the Quran are permitted to marry Jews and Christian women. So what, the Muslim God said marry the infidels, okay, but then kill them immediately after consummation? Thats the proof that the commandment to kill was only in times of war and self defense. End.Of.Story.[/quote]
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